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From: Don Klipstein on 18 Dec 2006 11:16 In article <e91ca$4586b366$49ecfaf$10575(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled wrote: >> >> This is what is wrong with our system at the moment. Those >> politicians are not our leaders; they are our employees. The >> fact that you consider them "leaders" is a bug in the system. >> It implies that you hand over your control to those few. > >Try instructing your employees to balance the budget. Yes, but too many of my fellow bosses of these employees are saying the opposite - gimme pork, gimme mine, but cut my taxes! And the employees actually obey that all too much! - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com)
From: unsettled on 18 Dec 2006 11:45 Don Klipstein wrote: > In article <e91ca$4586b366$49ecfaf$10575(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, unsettled wrote: > >>>This is what is wrong with our system at the moment. Those >>>politicians are not our leaders; they are our employees. The >>>fact that you consider them "leaders" is a bug in the system. >>>It implies that you hand over your control to those few. >> >>Try instructing your employees to balance the budget. > > > Yes, but too many of my fellow bosses of these employees are saying the > opposite - gimme pork, gimme mine, but cut my taxes! And the employees > actually obey that all too much! Obey? Not quite. These "employees" will eventually retire or be voted out, and they want to have something to go home to. It is a built in extra pension plan. Ever notice how reformers don't do very well during and after their period of service?
From: T Wake on 18 Dec 2006 11:51 "Lloyd Parker" <lparker(a)emory.edu> wrote in message news:em6beq$foh$3(a)leto.cc.emory.edu... > Melting of ice sheets on land (Greenland, Antarctica) will. Only melting > of > floating ice will not. In a clumsy, cack-handed manner this is the conclusion I was trying to work towards. Thank you for explaining it simply and in a single sentence. My strong suspicion regarding (at least) Eeyore's take on this, is not that he has a strong argument against human influenced global warming but he does have a strong objection to the measures some Governments are taking in an effort to reduce the impact. Hopefully he will be able to see the difference.
From: Eeyore on 18 Dec 2006 14:25 Lloyd Parker wrote: > unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: > >T Wake wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > >> Without heading down the road of a conspiracy theory here, I am not sure > >> what you are going on about. Climate science is as rigourous a discipline > >> as anything else. They have peer reviewed journals and everything. > > > >Climate science is barely off the ground flapping its wings as > >hard as it can to get airborne, but still needing an occasional > >hard placed kick to get as far as it has. > > Typical right-wing anti-science remark. Not really. No-one fully understands what drives the weather. Graham
From: Eeyore on 18 Dec 2006 14:40
T Wake wrote: > "Lloyd Parker" <lparker(a)emory.edu> wrote > > > Melting of ice sheets on land (Greenland, Antarctica) will. Only melting > > of floating ice will not. > > In a clumsy, cack-handed manner this is the conclusion I was trying to work > towards. Thank you for explaining it simply and in a single sentence. > > My strong suspicion regarding (at least) Eeyore's take on this, is not that > he has a strong argument against human influenced global warming but he does > have a strong objection to the measures some Governments are taking in an > effort to reduce the impact. Hopefully he will be able to see the > difference. You're partly right at least. Reducing CO2 emissions seems to be a 'good idea' (tm) from first principles anyway. My objections to the political propaganda surrounding it is primarily that (a) taxation will have a limited effect, 'punish' western economies and just generally annoy ppl (b) the promotin of the daft idea that we can somehow stop it in it's tracks and (c) a complete lack of anyone seemingly to realise the importane of insulation - there all maner of hi-tech nonsense going on like the idiotic 'hydrogen ecoonomy' that actually promotes energy use and hugely expensive PV solar power whilst tackilng the problem at source gets overlooked ! Graham |