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From: Eeyore on 8 Jan 2007 22:52 Jonathan Kirwan wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> > > >> >> butter isn't really butter anymore. > >> > > >> >No ? Does it not come from cows any more ? > >> > >> Buy some butter. Melt it. See how much of the brick is fluff > >> [there's a cooking name for this but I can't remember it]. > > > >Use ghee or clarified butter in that case. > > > > > >> >> You think it's funny? Legislating food chemical content is > >> >> new trick. It used to be set by a committee who, presumedly, > >> >> had some education about these things. Now it's lawyers > >> >> legislating the latest diet fad^Winsanity. > >> > > >> >Trans fats are chemically manufactured. > >> > > >> >It's not a natural FOOD ! > >> > >> Really? > > > >" The initial purpose was to create a cheaper substance to make candles than the > >expensive animal fats in use at the time. Electricity began to diminish the > >candle market, and since the product looked like lard, they began selling it as > >a food. " > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisco > > > >Graham > > I like this article. It includes a comment about my bane, high > fructose corn syrup. (About 7 years ago, or so, I experienced my very > first serious alergic reaction to a food -- which turns out over time > to now be isolated as connected with genetically modified corn [that > which includes the insecticide modification]. I now can expect a > probability associated with any consumption of high fructose corn > syrup.) > > http://www.motherlindas.com/crisco.htm > > Jon Interesting stuff. That's also the first example I've heard of GM crops causing trouble. I guess it was bound to happen. Iw was popularly called 'Frankenstein Food' here ! Whilst there are AIUI no legal restrictions on foods containing GM products here, most large outlets have decided not to stock them after widespread customer resistance. Graham
From: Eeyore on 8 Jan 2007 23:00 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Trans fats are chemically manufactured. > >> > > >> >It's not a natural FOOD ! > >> > >> Really? > > > >" The initial purpose was to create a cheaper substance to make candles than > >the expensive animal fats in use at the time. Electricity began to diminish > the > >candle market, and since the product looked like lard, they began selling it > >as a food. " > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisco > > It doesn't look like lard. It doesn't mix like lard. > It's easier to work with. So what are the ingredients > used to make Crisco? It's vegetable oil ( originally cottonseed ) that's being subjected to a chemical process called hydrogenation. The chemical reaction of hydrogen with another substance, generally an unsaturated organic compound, and usually under the influence of temperature, pressure, and catalysts. There are several types of hydrogenation reactions. They include: (1) the addition of hydrogen to reactive molecules; (2) the incorporation of hydrogen accompanied by cleavage of the starting molecules (hydrogenolysis); and (3) reactions in which isomerization, cyclization, and so on, result. Hydrogenation is synonymous with reduction in which oxygen or some other element (most commonly nitrogen, sulfur, carbon, or halogen) is withdrawn from, or hydrogen is added to, a molecule. When hydrogenation is capable of producing the desired reduction product, it is generally the simplest and most efficient procedure. Hydrogenation is used extensively in industrial processes. Important examples are the synthesis of methanol, liquid fuels, hydrogenated vegetable oils, fatty alcohols from the corresponding carboxylic acids, alcohols from aldehydes prepared by the aldol reaction, cyclohexanol and cyclohexane from phenol and benzene, respectively, and hexamethylenediamine for the synthesis of nylon from adiponitrile. See also Dehydrogenation; Fischer-Tropsch process; Hydroformylation; Hydrogen; Oxidation-reduction. http://www.answers.com/topic/hydrogenation Graham
From: Eeyore on 8 Jan 2007 23:02 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: > >> > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> >> lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: > >> >> > >> >>>How do you like Bush asserting he's got the right to open and read > >> >>>first-class mail? > >> >> > >> >>During WWII all mail going and coming from overseas was read. > >> > > >> >Now we have laws forbidding that. > >> > >> These are peacetime laws. > > > >Is this peacetime or not ? > > As I have stated a gazillion times in this thread, we are at > war. There is no war. Didn't GWB himself state "Mission Accomplished" ? Graham
From: Eeyore on 8 Jan 2007 23:08 MassiveProng wrote: > lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) Gave us: > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> >> I don't understand this logic. > >>>> > > >>>> >That tap would have needed a warrant though. > >>>> > >>>> And the tap gets one; it's the law. > >>> > >>>Your taps don't need warrants any more though do they ? > >> > >>Yes, they do require warrants. Perhaps you should stop > >>confusing tapping with monitoring. > >> > >>/BAH > > > >So if you don't tap, how do you monitor? > > They do not tap or monitor unwarranted, dumbass. > > THE COMPUTER listens for key words and phrases, and those text > strings the COMPUTER feels MIGHT warrant further inspection get human > ears, still without any names or source or destination info. IF the > human listener agrees with the computer that actual conversation > monitoring is needed, THEN an instant warrant is issued by a duly > appointed authority on the spot. AT THAT TIME, monitoring begins, and > it is with a warrant. Therefore, no MONITORING (read unwarranted > listening by humans of a SPECIFIC individual) occurs UNTIL sound bytes > have been deemed worthy of ACTUAL monitoring. > > Maybe one of these years you'll finally get it. Did you ever read Orwell's novel "1984" ? Graham
From: Jonathan Kirwan on 8 Jan 2007 23:41
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 03:52:53 +0000, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Jonathan Kirwan wrote: > >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> butter isn't really butter anymore. >> >> > >> >> >No ? Does it not come from cows any more ? >> >> >> >> Buy some butter. Melt it. See how much of the brick is fluff >> >> [there's a cooking name for this but I can't remember it]. >> > >> >Use ghee or clarified butter in that case. >> > >> > >> >> >> You think it's funny? Legislating food chemical content is >> >> >> new trick. It used to be set by a committee who, presumedly, >> >> >> had some education about these things. Now it's lawyers >> >> >> legislating the latest diet fad^Winsanity. >> >> > >> >> >Trans fats are chemically manufactured. >> >> > >> >> >It's not a natural FOOD ! >> >> >> >> Really? >> > >> >" The initial purpose was to create a cheaper substance to make candles than the >> >expensive animal fats in use at the time. Electricity began to diminish the >> >candle market, and since the product looked like lard, they began selling it as >> >a food. " >> > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisco >> > >> >Graham >> >> I like this article. It includes a comment about my bane, high >> fructose corn syrup. (About 7 years ago, or so, I experienced my very >> first serious alergic reaction to a food -- which turns out over time >> to now be isolated as connected with genetically modified corn [that >> which includes the insecticide modification]. I now can expect a >> probability associated with any consumption of high fructose corn >> syrup.) >> >> http://www.motherlindas.com/crisco.htm >> >> Jon > >Interesting stuff. That web site filled out more information regarding Crisco, than did the wiki page. Consistent with, but more. Found that interesting, too. >That's also the first example I've heard of GM crops causing trouble. I guess it was >bound to happen. Iw was popularly called 'Frankenstein Food' here ! I was completely flummoxed, at the first onset. Frankly, I didn't know what to make of it. Went to the doctor who, after taking one look at me and the hives that covered me from top of head to feet, scolded me long and hard about not taking this lightly and that "you could die from this, so take it seriously!" But I had no idea what caused the problem, except that the doctor said it was either liquid or food I'd eaten or else coming into contact with some plants. I'm not allergic to poison ivy or poison oak (I can crush the leaves in my hands with no effect) and I'd recently eaten a salad, so that is where I started looking -- the salad dressing I'd used. Turns out that high fructose corn syrup was one of of the items on the list of ingredients. I didn't take note of it at the time, except to log it along with the other ingredients mentioned. Since then, I've had 8 more bouts. All of them serious, one of them almost cutting off my breath and necessitating another visit to the emergency center and some frantic calls to my doctor. After going through the cases with the doctor, the one thing that stood out after about 4 or 5 of the events was the corn syrup thing. So we had a tentative conclusion. One of the 8 bouts, though, was because I was testing myself after having had a recent bout with a soda pop that we'd bought as part of a package of them, which included high fructose corn syrup as the prime ingredient after water. A week later, after I'd cleared out the effects, I held off eating for the day and in the afternoon drank another one. Sure enough, immediate reaction. (These all happen within 15 minutes of food consumption, when they happen at all.) I was prepared and took my medicine after I was completely certain and was breaking out a lot. It doesn't happen all the time, though, with products made with high fructose corn syrup. After researching the details, it turns out that I discovered a newspaper article in 1997 that pointed out that the GM corn used to feed livestock here in the US was blowing over pollen across to fields reserved for human consumption. These fields are supposed to be planted separately, but the barriers between them are never anything more than a single row of cottonwood, it seems, if that much. They plant them in fields right next to each other, as though that were any protection at all. Idiots. Anyway, all this means that, in concentrated form and in cases where the purchased raw materials might have enough of the GM corn in it to raise the concentrations to sufficient levels, and if I drink or eat enough of it, then I will break out. One of these days, it may mean the end of me if the doctor's lecture is worth a darn. And having gone through these attacks now, I can imagine the possibility. So we don't consume anything where corn products are concentrated. I did try corn bread (yes, I love the stuff), but if I do in the future I will make sure to have my pills handy. (In one of my events, I had specifically prepared corn bread from three different brands of corn meal and found that one of them did, indeed, cause me to break out.) So anything with high fructose corn syrup is off the table for me and so is corn bread, unless I get desperate (I can resist, I suppose, and have for a few years now.) Too bad, too. Because I like corn bread! The GM folks and stolen this from my life, now. >Whilst there are AIUI no legal restrictions on foods containing GM products here, >most large outlets have decided not to stock them after widespread customer >resistance. You folks have non-US-made corn meal? What brand? (Thinking of making some nice corn bread, again...) Jon |