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From: jmfbahciv on 20 Feb 2007 07:02 In article <66a0f$45d9e1db$4fe709e$21351(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, "nonsense(a)unsettled.com" <nonsense(a)unsettled.com> wrote: >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> In article <6baf5$45d8df82$49ecf3c$12829(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >> "nonsense(a)unsettled.com" <nonsense(a)unsettled.com> wrote: >> >>>Ken Smith wrote: >>> >>>>In article <5f310$45d8a544$4fe770f$11782(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>>>nonsense(a)unsettled.com <nonsense(a)unsettled.com> wrote: >>>>BAH wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>Where's that supposed bright line between coding and using? >>>>> >>>>>><GRIN> Believe it or not, compilation. I guess I'd better >>>>>>define this one. Compilation is the computing service that >>>>>>changes your ASCII character directions into data blocks >>>>>>that a linker can use to produce an executable set of >>>>>>machine insructions. >>>>> >>>>>You mean like when I type a name and password in at >>>>>the appropriate prompts. :-) >>>> >>>> >>>>No, that is obviously an interpreter. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I understand what you think you wrote, but that >>>>>doesn't define a bright line. When I set up a >>>>>crontab to repeat a computer process (perhaps back >>>>>up a set of files and put them on tape or a cd) at >>>>>a certain time every day am I coding or am I using? >>>> >>>> >>>>I'd say both in this case. It is an interpreter you are coding for, you >>>>are using, lets say, vi and likely bash to do it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Same thing with a doze PC and "scheduled tasks." >>>> >>>> >>>>In that case you are neither programming not a user. You are a victim. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>There are libraries at all "higher levels." I view this >>>>>as a discussion well suited to fuzzy logic analysis. >>>> >>>> >>>>I disagree. Fuzzy logic is just a digital guy trying to do analog. >>> >>>Disagree all you want. Disagreement doesn't change the >>>facts or the scope. >> >> >> It does need discussion from my POV. That's the first time >> anybody asked the question and the first time I've tried to >> set it down in English ASCII. Thus, I'm still thinking >> about it because I surprised myself with that answer. > >Ideas live in sets. > >This might be a good point to branch into the question, >"How much of the universe is binary, and how much analog?" We used to talk about that at the bar. >just to see where that one goes. It is an issue I've not >seen addressed. It gets even more interesting when viewed >through the prisms of the various physics models in use >today. Analog implies thresholds; does it not? > >One might think particle charges are binary. (<- teaser) Triary(sp?). > >I can't wait to hear MP's reply. LOL [emoticon gets popcorn] /BAH
From: Phil Carmody on 20 Feb 2007 07:09 The Ghost In The Machine <ewill(a)sirius.tg00suus7038.net> writes: > In sci.physics, Ken Smith > <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> > wrote > on Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:01:38 +0000 (UTC) > <ercs6i$dg2$3(a)blue.rahul.net>: > > In article <45D9BDD4.B68B994E(a)hotmail.com>, > > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > >> > >>> The Ghost In The Machine <ewill(a)sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote: > >>> > > >>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhd2lnCTWQM > >>> > > >>> >skipped horribly on initial load, but that looks to be > >>> >more of a bandwidth problem than a CPU one. CPU utilization was > >>> >slightly lower. > >>> > > >>> >SFW. Its main themes are apparently music, a school > >>> >bus, and dancing. Replay was possible without skipping. > >>> >Full screen utilized almost 90% of CPU, so that might be > >>> >an issue. > >>> > > >>> >FWIW. > >>> > > >>> If this becomes a common usage, it sounds like a dedicated > >>> processor will be installed. > >> > >>It's called the CPU. > > > > It could also be "a CPU". Multiprocessor systems may start to happen > > soon. > > Multiprocessor systems have been around for awhile. > My Kayak XM600 is dual-processor-capable -- this back when > 833 MHZ Pentiums were the norm. I shudder to think how old my dually celeron 300 is. And that's not just "capable", that's populated. The reason almost all PCs aren't dually is not because PCs can't be dually, it's because that's what the market wants. Those who strive for more than mediocrity in their PC have been able to find duallies quite easily for a decade. Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: jmfbahciv on 20 Feb 2007 07:05 In article <87irdym3zz.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> writes: >> MassiveProng wrote: >> >> > I can boot Linux from a DVD and RUN it all day long, and I don't need to do >> > ANY installation! >> >> That sounds interesting. >> >> Where can I get one ? > >Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu all come as live CDs >Gentoo does too. >Knoppix was the original popular live CD. What does the OS, running from a CD, use for its scratch pad? <snip> /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 20 Feb 2007 07:08 In article <ercret$dg2$1(a)blue.rahul.net>, kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >In article <erc8n2$8ss_006(a)s942.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>In article <877iufp05h.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, >> Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >[....] >>>You've forgotten about your "interfering with each other" clause: >> >>Not at all. OSes were handling the above problems in the 60s. >>The reason virtual memory was invented was to solve the above >>problem. > >I think you and Phil are using a different mean of "interfering". Phil is >thinking of it in the sense of a real time OS. Phil is very confused about real time. > The overhead of the VM >system will make for inteference in the real time sense even if the two >programs do eventually produce the right answer. > > >Unfortunately the hardware in the x86 series of processors makes it hard >to do a general purpose VM that doesn't thrash a lot. If the problem is >too big to fit in real memory, doing the disk I/O in the program instead >of letting the VM take over usually make for a faster result. A solution is to invent a software GETSEG if the hardware can't give help. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 20 Feb 2007 07:13
In article <ercsfc$dg2$4(a)blue.rahul.net>, kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >In article <5c240$45d96d08$4fe71f9$16508(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >nonsense(a)unsettled.com <nonsense(a)unsettled.com> wrote: >>d.086(a)hotmail.com wrote: >>> Could you please terminate this thread. It's off topic and crossposted >>> to sci.physics, sci.chem, sci.electronics.design, sci.med The >>> discussion below is only about electronics design. Please start a new >>> thread in your own news group and give it a Subject heading >>> appropriate to the topic under discussion. Please no more 'Jihad needs >>> scientists'. It's offensive. >> >>That's nice. > >By posting that you did exactly the thing he was asking you not to do. I >really don't see why you did it after all he should get his way about what >happens on the usenet shouldn't he? Tell me which newsgroup should be deleted. The poster didn't say. /BAH |