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From: Tony Lance on 4 Mar 2007 09:59 Big Bertha Thing redoubt Cosmic Ray Series Possible Real World System Constructs http://web.onetel.com/~tonylance/redoubt.html Access page to 600K ZIP file Astrophysics net ring access site Newsgroup Reviews including sci.physics.particle Postings potentially suitable for;- 1. SRF Classical Astronomy 2. SRF Classical Mathematics 3. SRF Classical Physics 4. SRF Classical Chemistry After 15 months, an armistice term has just been fullfilled.(2nd Battle) Student research project conferences, by invitation only, now available. Battles without cost are not battles. I have just had the following shot out from under me:- 1. www.bertha.ndirect.co.uk (disabled) 2. Paid UK ISP Net Direct. (15 months) 3. Professional newsgroup SP Dejanews.com (3 months) To the victor the spoils. See my new newsgroup review section, complete with copyright. Big Bertha Thing memoriam Tony died raising his best friends family, His wife needed two helpers, his poor heart and him. Carer, postman, welder and domino player. RAF aircraft fitter at Battle of Britain and El Alamain. Outboxed a voortrecker at middleweight. Raised trade union branch president and National officer of voluntary .org Taught me to keep the faith, Mend my bicycle and trigonometry. His story is ended, but not yet finished. Tony Lance judemarie(a)bigberthathing.co.uk From: Tony Lance <judemarie(a)bigberthathing.co.uk> Newsgroups: swnet.sci.astro,sci.chem Subject: Big Bertha Thing warlord Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:17:10 +0000 Big Bertha Thing warlord The last time I heard that an apology given under duress was valid, was in the Monty Python' comedy sketch on the Spanish Inquisition. Everytime anyone said Spanish Inquisition, then 3 red cardinals turned up to organise it. What do I have in comon with a Texas cattle baron? He thinks that he is a bigger liar than I am. I think I am. What does a drill sargeant have in comon with a chinese warlord? He says that the sun will not rise tomorrow. His men believe it. What is the difference between a Texas cattle baron and a chinese warlord? The one knows he is lying. The other has never had the problem. Big Bertha Thing adversity Milton (1644) from The Liberty of Unlicensed Printing. First, when a city shall be as it were besieged and blocked about, her navigable river infested, inroads and incursions round, defiance and battle oft rumoured to be marching up even to her walls and suburb trenches; that then the people, or the greater part, more than at other times, wholly taken up with the study of the highest and most important matters to be reformed, should be disputing, reasoning, reading, inventing, discourcing, even to a rarity and admiration, things not before discourced or written of, argues first a singular good will, contentedness and confidence in your prudent forsight, and safe government, Lords and Commons; and from thence derives itself to a gallant bravery and well-grounded contempt of their enemies, as if there were no small number of as great spirits among us, as his was, who when Rome was nigh besieged by Hannibal, being in the city, bought that piece of ground at no cheap rate whereon Hannibal himself encamped his own regiment. Next, it is a lively and cheerful presage of our happy success and victory. For as in a body, when the blod is fresh, the spirits pure and vigorous, not only to vital, but to rational faculties, and those in the acutes and the pertest operations of wit and subtilty, it argues in what good plight and constitution the body is; so when the cheerfulness of the people is so sprightly up, as it has not only wherewith to guard well its own freedom and safety, but to spare, and to bestow upon the solidest and sublimest points of contyroversy, and new invention, it betokens us not degenerated, nor drooping to a fatal decay, by casting off the old and wrinkled skin of corruption to outlive these pangs, and wax young again, entering the glorious ways of truth and prosperous virtue, destined to become great and honourable in these latter ages. Methinks I see in my mind a noble and puissant nation rousing herself like a strong man after sleep, and shaking her inincible locks; methinks I see her as an eagle nursing her mighty youth, and kindling her undazzled eyes at the full mid-day beam; purging and unscaling her long-abused sight at the fountain itself of heavenly radiance; while the whole noise of timorous and flocking birds, with those also that love the twilight, flutter about amazed at what she means, and in their envious gabble would prognosticate a year of sects and schisms. Big Bertha Thing liberty Milton (1644) from The Liberty of Unlicensed Printing What should ye do then, should ye suppress all this flowery crop of knowledge and new light sprung up and yet springing daily in this city? Should ye set an oligarchy of twenty engrossers over it, to bring a famine upon our minds again, when we shall know nothing but what is measured to us by their bushell? Believe it, Lords and Commons! they who counsel you to such a suppression, do as good as bid ye suppress yourselves; and I will soon show how. If it be desired to know the immediate cause of all this free writing and free speaking, there cannot be assigned a truer than your own mild, and free, and humane government: it is the liberty, Lords and Commons, which your own valorous and happy counsels have purchased us; liberty, which is the nurse of all great wits; this is that which hath rarified and enlightened our spirits like the influence of heaven; this is that which hath enfranchised, enlarged, and lifted up our apprehensions degrees above themselves. Ye cannot make us now less capable, less knowing, less eagerly pursuing of the truth, unless ye first make yourselves, that made us so, less the lovers, less the founders of our true liberty. We can grow ignorant again, brutish, formal, slavish, as ye found us; but you then must first become that which ye cannot be, oppressive, arbitrary, and tyrannous, as they were from whom ye have freed us. That our hearts are now more capacious, our thoughts more erected to the search and expectations of greatest and exactest things, is the issue of your own virtue propagated in us; ye cannot suppress that, unless ye reinforce an abrogated and merciless law, that fathers may despatch at will their own children. And who shall then stick closest to ye, and excite others? not he who takes up arms for coat and conduct, and his four nobles of Dangelt. Although I dispraise not the defence of just immunities, yet love my peace better, if that were all. Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely, according to conscience, above all liberties. Big Bertha Thing indomitable (1938) about biography of Lord Grey of Falloden Lord Grey of Falloden sprang from a Northumberland family of country squires, who for generations had played a part in public affairs. His own pleasures lay in the country, but his sense of duty drove him into politics. He was happiest fishing for trout, and watching wild birds, but once he was a member of parliament his abilities and character won for him a prominence that gave him little time for such pursuits. From 1905 to 1916 Lord Grey was Foreign Secretary. It is strange that the man whose heart was never entirely in politics should have risen to such a high office, should have held it so long, and in such crucial years. It is possible to consider Lord Grey's life as a failure. His sense of duty prevented him from living the life he loved. His efforts to preserve the peace of Europe suffered the defeat of August 1914, that darkened the rest of his life. He sacrificed his eyesight in his wartime service in the government. When at last release came, and he returned to his birds and books, he could no longer see them. Domestic griefs beset him. Yet as our extract from his biography shows, from this tragic material his serene and strong nature won a greatness that is an inspiration and splendid example.(Two extracts follow) He was equally cut off from books, of which as life advanced he had grown scarcely less fond. I classify the different parts of my body as being of different ages, as thus: Sense of smell aged 99 years Eyes 95 Stomach 85 Sense of Hearing 56 (My age) Brain 56 Heart and lungs 45 It makes an unequal team to get along with.
From: krw on 4 Mar 2007 10:08 In article <eseef4$8qk_001(a)s993.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... > In article <MPG.20536be861bedd6a98a048(a)news.individual.net>, > krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > >In article <esbpq1$8qk_005(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... > >> In article <MPG.2052091685c10ec298a03a(a)news.individual.net>, > >> krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > >> >In article <es928h$8ss_001(a)s1006.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... > >> >> In article <es829g$2hl$2(a)blue.rahul.net>, > >> >> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: > >> >> >In article <87fy8paqu8.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, > >> >> >Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> >>kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) writes: > >> >> >>> >ls -lu > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> I assume you had a point. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>I think his point is that access time is part of the metadata > >> >> >>that accompanies the file. > >> >> > > >> >> >It is not stored into the data part of the file. The file's sectors > are > >> >> >not rewritten so there is no change to that part. I believe that it is > >> >> >the time you close the file and not the time you opened it that > actually > >> >> >ends up stored BTW. None of this matters to the backup method I > >> >> >suggested. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >>So we have 3 cases: > >> >> >>- If it doesn't change the last-accessed time, then the "last- > >> >> >>accessed time" is in fact a falsity; > >> >> >>- If it changes the last-accessed time and stores the new access, > >> >> >>then the restored file will not be what it was a backup of; > >> >> >>- If it changes the last-accessed time but doesn't store the new > >> >> >>time, then the file in the backup is not identical to the > >> >> >>filesystem that it is a backup of. > >> >> >>All three of these are unsatisfactory. Therefore I contend that > >> >> >>this field is indeed not a useful field when it comes to considering > >> >> >>the behaviour of backups. > >> >> > > >> >> >No, this is all silly. The backup I have been refering to is not cover > in > >> >> >the cases in your list. What I suggested was a complete image of the > >> >> >drive. > >> >> > >> >> That has the problem of also preserving the bad spots of the disk. > >> > > >> >Modern disks don't show their "bad spots" to the system. > >> > >> I'm assuming that this housekeeping moved into the smart > >> controllers. > > > >The disk drive itself. > > Has controller functionality moved into all disk drives? That > sorta sucks. ....Do these disk drives have multi ports? The original ATA (as in; [IBM PC] AT Attached) drives had the controller integrated into the drive. The "controller" was no more than buffers off the "AT" (ISA) bus. As things progressed, more of the "controller" function moved back to the controller (DMA, etc.). Drives still have a lot of smarts. No, they're not mult-ported. > >> > They're > >> >replaced from a cache of hidden sectors as they fail. This doesn't > >> >mean it isn't possible to lose data when one fails though. > >> > >> So what does a bit-to-bit copy of the physical mean? Bit-to-bit > >> implies all bits, including the ones covered by the error handler... > >> doesn't it? > > > >Any bad sectors are mapped out so they don't get copied. They no > >longer exist. In fact one should never see a bad sector on a disk. > >If you do, throw it away. The spare sectors have been used up and > >data sectors (the ones you paid for) are being used for replacements. > >This indicates a severely damaged drive. > > So if you don't ever "see" bad sectors, how does the human know > that a disk replacement is required? Do we have to wait until > it's a complete mess? What happened to mess prevention? SMART will tell the user the disk is on it's way out. You have to look, but the information is there. > > > >Drives today use LBA (Logical Block Addressing). > > Yes,yes. Is this hardware or software? Note, for the purposes > of this discussion, firmware is soft. Oh, and exclude optical-- > I don't understand that stuff. Firm^Wsoftware on the disk drive's controller. > > When a sector > >starts failing (retry threshold exceeded) the drive moves the data on > >that sector to a spare/reserved sector (hopefully) close by, then > >points to the new sector and marks the old as bad. The replacement > >sector is mapped to be in the same logical position as the one it > >replaced, even though it is not physically adjacent. When a sector- > >for-sector copy is done to another drive (for instance) sectors are > >copied from the source in logical (not physical) > > Logical!!! Then it is NOT a bit-to-bit copy. Goddammit. I > goofed and believed them on this one. Ok. > > order to the target > >(where they often end up in physical order). > > When you say physical order, is this a numerical monotonically > increasing order of the sectors? Or is it ordered by the directory tree? If it's a "bit-for-bit" copy it is in sector order. If it's a file- by-file copy it's ordered by the directory tree. > Note that I realize different code does different things. Give me > the rule of thumb ;-) > > > >> Oh...were they using the term incorrectly again? > > > >Words change meaning, levels of indirection are thrown in, confusion > >reigns, Dimbulb is wrong (and swears a blue streak to prove it). > >Nothing ever changes. > > [glum emoticon here] Yea, no progres has been observed. I've made this point in the other group, but sometimes things are invented in more than one place at close to the same time. Each invents new words and a mess occurs. For example: AMD and Intel have totally different and contradictory vocabulary WRT caches. I always get confused when reading either's cache docs. -- Keith
From: krw on 4 Mar 2007 10:44 In article <esbq1q$8qk_008(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... > In article <MPG.20520a9f9e61c03b98a03c(a)news.individual.net>, > krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > >In article <es92g1$8ss_002(a)s1006.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... > >> In article <MPG.2050cf07addd0e6298a031(a)news.individual.net>, > >> krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: > >> >In article <0sccu2tencv0vqes1nru8uec7if9e8f4cm(a)4ax.com>, > >> >MassiveProng(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says... > >> >> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:02:48 -0500, krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> Gave us: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <97v6u2hhdaf437oki5ujqt4q3gkjghn3dv(a)4ax.com>, > >> >> >MassiveProng(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org says... > >> >> >> On Mon, 26 Feb 07 12:36:17 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com Gave us: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >The wrinkle to the new process is that the checks have stopped > >> >> >> >traveling. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Bullshit. My landlord gets a check, and his bank submits it to my > >> >> >> bank who has it ON FILE RIGHT NOW, I get an image of the check in my > >> >> >> mailed monthly statement, and can look up a full size image of all my > >> >> >> checks online. > >> >> > > >> >> >Dumber-than-a-dim-bulb, you're wrong. > >> >> > >> >> No. You are. I can even request the return of the check. > >> > > >> >Not if it's been cleared via "check 21". The check paper check is > >> >turned into bits and the hard copy destroyed. > >> > >> This is the bug in the process, IMO. The process depends on the human, > >> who is scanning the physical paper, to destroy it. > > > >It doesn't matter if the physical check is destroyed or not. The > >routing and account numbers are all that matters. The paper check is > >only a carrier for those. > > > > What prevents multiple scans? Oh, that's the real beauty of the system. NOTHING. It happens all the time. Better have online banking so you can catch it before you start bouncing checks. BTW, I had to agree to allow my employer to reach into my account to pull money out before I could get direct deposit. At least there is some protection there, but this will become the general case. -- Keith
From: Ken Smith on 4 Mar 2007 12:07 In article <eseflq$8qk_001(a)s993.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >In article <esc6m4$atc$3(a)blue.rahul.net>, > kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>In article <esbpio$8qk_004(a)s977.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>In article <es9djf$q95$3(a)blue.rahul.net>, >>> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote: >>[....] >>>>>You are in error. Last access is an important datum. >>>> >>>>Please explain exactly how you thing the last access is important. >>> >>>[This is the piece I inadventently deleted] >>> >>>> What >>>>do you do with this information? >>> >>>I, the BACKUP programmer, will save all files during an incremental >>>that has an access date after the date-time argument of the /SINCE >>>switch. >> >>This makes it no longer an "incremental". You are in fact doing a partial >>save on the system. > >That is what an incremental is. No, it isn't. An "incremental backup" is a record of the files that have changed or in some cases merely the changes. The very word "increment" refers to a change this should be your clue as to the correct meaning. >> The mere fact that you do something that is not an >>incremental and call that an incremental, doesn't make you right about any >>of the things you've posted on the subject. > >You are telling the developers that they are wrong?!! No, I am telling you that you are wrong. There are many people out there who are developers. Some make mistakes. You are making one. >> A far better way to do a >>backup is still to make an image of the drive. > >No, it is not. It is a faster way, not a better way. You lose >information when you do a bit-to-bit. No, you don't lose information. You save all of the information that cn be saved. Some is lost in the drive its self but there is absolutely nothing that can be done about this. > And I've just realized >that your reference of "bit-to-bit" isn't really a bit-to-bit. >I assumed you were correct in this one but I was wrong. You read the other part of the thread where this was covered. Big deal! The images is still the absolute best you can do. Anything less is less information than that. [....] >>>> In this context, the only use of that >>>>information will be a mistake. >>> >>>Are you interested enough to read some code which implements >>>this stuff correctly? >> >>Yes, do you know of any? > > >Yes. I developed and maintained it. I was not the original >developer. We called it BACKUP.EXE and the source files >are BACKUP.MAC and BACKRS.MAC. The OS was called TOPS-10. Well if it contains your mistakes, I don't see much point in reading it. I have seen lots of "backup" programs that did not in fact work. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: Ken Smith on 4 Mar 2007 12:09
In article <87zm6t5c5o.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: [....] >> You are telling the developers that they are wrong?!! > >He's telling you you're wrong. I don't believe you could develop >anything more complex than gout. Lots of very complex but wrong software has been developed. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge |