From: Lloyd Parker on

Then you haven't read the right-wing lies. Look at the NIE.
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article
<kurtullman-0481F2.19314905102006(a)customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <452590E2.F828860(a)hotmail.com>,
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> mmeron(a)cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:
>>
>> > Lobbing missiles
>>
>> The targeting was quite precise actually.
>>
> Yep. He hit that aspirin factory dead on. Managed to put down the
>chimney of the Chinese Embassy during Kosovo, too, Rip roaring accuracy.
>
>>
>> > in the general direction (with a forewarning to
>> > Pakistan) is not an "attempt to get OBL", just an attempt to show that
>> > "something is being done".
>>
>> It's still 100% more than GWB ever did.
>>
> Yep GWB never did get around to clearing out the Taliban and

Uh, the Taliban are still there and actually control more of Afghanistan than
the "government."

>exiling him to mountains at the border.
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <eg57l7$8ss_011(a)s831.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>,
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>In article <P4Kdnb9ApIGR47jYRVnyrw(a)pipex.net>,
> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>>
>>"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
>>news:qkrai2hvpp43t4lpu1ttca9tpq8ueb94qr(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:03:17 GMT, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Which one would that be, the dangers of driving on the nation's highways?
>>>>That's at least 3 orders of magnitude greater of a real threat to every
>>>>person in the country than is terrorism.
>>>
>>> 3000 people died at the WTC. Three orders of magnitude from that is 3
>>> million. We kill about 40K people a year in car accidents.
>>>
>>
>>3000 people (not all of whom were US citizens) have been killed by Islamic
>>terrorist attacks on the Mainland US in (shall we say 80 years). How many
>>have died in car accidents in that time?
>>
>>That said, you are nitpicking in the same manner. More than ten times as
>>many people die every year as died as a result of the 11 Sep 01 attack. That
>>is TEN attacks of that scale (and that was a large scale attack by anyone's
>>standards) every single year. Year in, year out and accepted as a normal
>>risk in life.
>>
>>Amazing really.
>
>So much for mess prevention. So how many people does Bin Laden
>have to kill before you deal with this problem? 300,000?
>3,000,000? 300,000,000? A billion?
>

So why aren't we devoting all our resources to getting him?

>After the first choice, Bin Laden will be the least of
>the world's problems.
>
>/BAH
>
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article
<kurtullman-F4AABA.23350505102006(a)customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtullman(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <QziVg.11645$6S3.234(a)newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> "JoeBloe" <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
>> news:t1dbi2pob3u7ic3dp19guns746jria0n2e(a)4ax.com...
>> > On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:29:00 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
>> > <nobody(a)nowhere.com> Gave us:
>> >
>> >> importing oil to feed its ridiculous fleet of
>> >>inefficient cars
>> >
>> > I doubt that you even have any clue as to the model and make
>> > distribution of cars in the US population.
>>
>> Over half are SUVs and pickup trucks, that all get less than about 17 mpg.
>> I think that's all he really needs to know to make statements like he did
>> about "ridiculous fleet of inefficient cars".
>>
> The EPA stats indicate that at least at the 2004 model year, the
>average mpg for the fleet (those acutally sold) was 21.5 mpg, up from
>around 17 in '82 or so. The half sold was right.
>
>http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/CAFE/docs/Summary-Fuel-Economy-Pref-2004.
>pdf

Yes, but also note the mileage peaked a few years ago and has started going
back down because of the mix of trucks.
From: Lloyd Parker on
In article <tfhbi29cplhgpsm87rtvtddpq3sggh8cpm(a)4ax.com>,
JoeBloe <joebloe(a)thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:20:14 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
><nobody(a)nowhere.com> Gave us:
>
>>
>><lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:yecVg.8912$GR.1933(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>>> Oh, and there is also a Federal law that say in any recording of a phone
>>> conversation, at least one of the parties to the conversation must be
>>> aware of the recording.
>>
>>IIRC, Federal law makes it a crime to disclose illegally obtained material.
>>So if you tap your calls to your married lover to get him to admit killing
>>his wife that gets thrown out in an all party state - except in Modesto CA.
>>
>
> People CAN record a phone call.

Depends. In CA, you can only do so if both parties consent.

>LEOs cannot. Except, as in time of
>war,

Which Congress has not declared.

>we have situational rules which govern the behavior of our
>country's national security agencies.

Where in the constitution does it allow parts of itself to be ignored?

> They have followed all such
>rules, and are perfectly within their rights in the task of making
>this country safe again.
>

Like Hitler did in 1930s Germany.

> Tough luck, chucko, that you only kept the parts of the constitution
>in mind that you liked.

What parts allow other parts to be ignored?