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From: Ken Smith on 9 Oct 2006 17:59 In article <pBwWg.21165$Ij.7506(a)newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >"Ken Smith" <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> wrote in message >news:ege2t8$584$1(a)blue.rahul.net... >> In article <hsuWg.4640$NE6.3613(a)newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, >> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> [....] [....] >> It seems that right now we have this sort of problem with terrorist and >> Islamic. Without knowing they are doing it people are making a >> subconcious grouping. Although they logically understand that there is a >> difference they are working against their own instincts. > >You had me until that last sentence. I don't think many people do logically >understand their own instincts. If they were, then when someone points out >to them that they are mistaken in making overbroad generalizations about >people, they would understand and accede. Instead, pointing it out to some >people just garners indignation, insults, threats, etc.--we've seen examples >of this very thing here in this thread. Yes, I agree with your point. Perhaps you missed mine. I meant but did not explicitly state that it would be better if people had some understanding of ther own instincts or if those trying to change minds, at least did. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: Jonathan Kirwan on 9 Oct 2006 18:04 On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:33:10 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Jonathan Kirwan wrote: > >> On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:49:27 -0500, John Fields >> <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >> >> ><snip> >> >Ostensibly, an attack on the Vincennes. >> > >> >Do you think we blow up commercial airliners for the fun of it? >> >> No, we don't. At least, I sure hope not. >> >> However, Captain Rogers was well informed about this situation before >> ordering the shoot-down. His exec, Commander Foster, testified later >> that he had informed Rogers this was an A300 -- the ISAR would have >> completely imaged the engines and profile quite easily -- especially >> at close to 10 miles out, which is when the launch order was given. >> The aircraft was in a climbing attitude, as well, not descending, and >> was in the commercial flight path. It had never "squawked a military >> transponder code" as was initially claimed by the Reagan admin. That >> was determined objectively through an examination of the data files >> from over 50 French aircraft flying in the area at the time, among >> other things. This ship was an AEGIS cruiser and was completely in >> the data loop of other aircraft, including the French planes. They >> pretty much KNEW what they were doing when Rogers ordered the kill. >> >> Frankly, there was no good excuse. And this kind of event should not >> ever happen. The bottom line is that the US, with the best people and >> some of the best equipment on one of the more advanced surface vessels >> (and AEGIS cruiser), with good information on the civilian flight >> schedules at hand, with an aircraft that was close to "on time" and >> flying along a proper corridor in a climbing attitude, was still shot >> down. Certainly, no one should defend it. >> >> Rogers had been chasing around some gun boats and had invaded the 12 >> mile limit around Iran. He had been warned at least twice (recorded >> on tape) by an Omani vessel (friendly) to leave the area immediately. >> He was an excessively aggressive Captain, pursuing his own reckless >> course, and was probably very much on edge at the time. He made a >> very bad decision. It's now a standard chapter in a course of studies >> about how such things can go very wrong. >> >> Personally, I have no question (I know, because I talked with some who >> were on board at the time) that the electronics intelligence folks >> knew this was an airliner and that this was reported through the exec >> to Rogers fully two minutes before the order was given. Rogers should >> not have been where he was, doing what he was doing. He knew he was >> violating good policy and good judgment and the reckless result was >> disasterous and inexcusable. >> >> It's not something to defend in any way. Captain Rogers did NOT >> exemplify proper behavior of a commanding officer in the US Navy. > >Begs the question why his exec didn't countermand the order to fire. I didn't speak to him, though I did read his testimony. I don't recollect the question being asked. In general, I'd guess it is a very difficult thing to consider doing and it may very well (in this circumstance) have meant getting summarily shot or else locked up for a long time with exactly the same result, regardless. And more specifically, the exec may have felt the Captain was privy to special orders that weren't his business. That may have actually been the case, too. Such things aren't made public knowledge. Jon
From: Daniel Mandic on 9 Oct 2006 18:12 Eeyore wrote: > > Perhaps it's a little harsh, but you might want to get a little > > better educated in the matter by going to: > > > > http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22415 > > For Christ's sake John, get a grip on reality ! > They don't need any grip, they have overtaken all christianity. :-( Letters, Weapons (still the same as before, nothing new), Politic (it is not a democracy, IMO), Language, collected Knowledge (like our pre-sapiens apes, when they could not grip to something new, they fiercely attack -e.g Odyssee 2001 'HAL'), etc. Best Regards, Daniel Mandic
From: werty on 9 Oct 2006 19:36 The Arabs WILL get nukes . There will NOT be WW III . The USA will quietly pull out of Middle East and never return . Osama Bin Laden will get the market price for his oil .... Peace at last , brought to you by nuclear power ...... "Mutually assured self destruction " ended all wars ...... ___________________________________ science_for_jihad(a)yahoo.com wrote: > Jihad needs competent scientists in the fields of nuclear physics, > chemistry and biology. Qualified scientists and engineers at the > Master/Ph.D. level and above are encouraged to apply. Readiness to > travel and to pass a preliminary examination is required. > > Anyone interested should send his anonymous CV to the address > science_for_jihad(a)yahoo.com . The CV should contain information > reflecting the academic level reached by the candidate and his work > experience. The information however should not be so accurate as to > identify the candidate. An appropriately fantasious nickname and a > birth date corresponding to the approximate age of the candidate should > also be provided, together with a working email address. Further > instructions will follow.
From: werty on 9 Oct 2006 19:36
The Arabs WILL get nukes . There will NOT be WW III . The USA will quietly pull out of Middle East and never return . Osama Bin Laden will get the market price for his oil .... Peace at last , brought to you by nuclear power ...... "Mutually assured self destruction " ended all wars ...... ___________________________________ science_for_jihad(a)yahoo.com wrote: > Jihad needs competent scientists in the fields of nuclear physics, > chemistry and biology. Qualified scientists and engineers at the > Master/Ph.D. level and above are encouraged to apply. Readiness to > travel and to pass a preliminary examination is required. > > Anyone interested should send his anonymous CV to the address > science_for_jihad(a)yahoo.com . The CV should contain information > reflecting the academic level reached by the candidate and his work > experience. The information however should not be so accurate as to > identify the candidate. An appropriately fantasious nickname and a > birth date corresponding to the approximate age of the candidate should > also be provided, together with a working email address. Further > instructions will follow. |