From: Eeyore on


unsettled wrote:

> You can't discover the difference between BAH and myself,

You're thinking of someone else.

Do get your attributions right !

Graham

From: Eeyore on


unsettled wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> > unsettled wrote:
> >>Jamie wrote:
> >>>Eeyore wrote:
> >>>>Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>if you're in the market for a $5K+
> >>>>>watch, there are only a few places worldwide that are comparable
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Why would anyone spend that much on a watch ? I can't figure it. Aside
> >>>>from bragging rights of course !
> >>>>
> >>>>Graham
> >>>
> >>> you can't figure it out? why does that
> >>>not surprise me?
> >>
> >>Easy things are difficult for our camel jockey.
> >
> >
> > So do tell why a $5k watch makes sense.
> >
> > Graham
>
> What does "make sense" have to do with jewelry?

Thank you for admitting it makes no sense.

Graham


From: T Wake on
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:454CAD3B.FF177A12(a)hotmail.com...
>
> unsettled wrote:
>
>> But then they tout their "free" national health care. Heck,
>> they're too poor after paying all their taxes to be able
>> to afford much of anything,
>
> LOL. UK incomes aren't that much less than US.

Although "debating" with unsettled is akin to banging your head against a
wall, I found some numbers out.

Average US Salary in 2002 was $36,764 (Source:
http://ask.yahoo.com/20040518.html), although the odd way they do things
makes it hard to determine. One source suggests this has dropped
(http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2006-02-23-fed-incomes_x.htm)
or increased (depending how you read it), but it seems reasonable to suggest
the average US income is $43,200 in 2004.

In the UK the average income
(http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_labour/ASHE_2006/2006_all_employees.pdf)
is about ?21,476 per year.

Now $43,200 is about ?22600 so the difference in pay is pretty small to say
the least.

One of the problems with this conversion though, is the US figure includes
income from stocks, bonds, savings and the like while the UK one is just
salary.

>> and in the end they're paying
>> more for health care than we do,
>
> Let's see some numbers then ! I'm all for seeing a fair comparison !

They certainly do not bear out unsettled's claims.

>> but it isn't visible to
>> them because the money trail is through government.
>
> ?76.4 bn according to recent figures. That's ?1273 per head of population.
>
> What are your numbers ?
>
> Can you get US comprehensive ( no exclusions ) medical insurance for $2418
> regardless of age or medical history ?

While it was far from easy getting information and answers about this,
nothing I found suggested it was possible.

>> Talk about pollution? I smelled coal fires in a residential
>> district in August 2002. I haven't smelled coal in the US
>> in residential use since the 1950's. BAH you asked about
>> pollution and wood fireplaces? They don't have much wood
>> left in UK,

Amazing.

> but they do have plenty of coal They aren't
>> bashful about burning it without pollution controls.
>
> Really ? It's quite hard to find a coal merchant these days in fact. There
> are 8 in
> my county for a population of just over 1 million.
>
> We have 'smokeless coal' btw.
> http://www.coaldelivery.co.uk/acatalog/smokeless_fuels_open_fires_multifuel_stoves.html

Not to mention a raft of clean air act laws, most of which pre-date any
American ones. Unsettled rarely lets facts get in the way of bias.



From: Eeyore on


unsettled wrote:

> T Wake wrote:
> > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>It's rare here to find a doctor who *doesn't* do NHS work.
> >>
> >>Is his license tied to volunteering?
> >
> > NHS work is not "volunteer" work.
>
> In the American lexicon, any work which pays less than
> the maximum going rate is "volunteering."

So if Ford pays its ato workers more than GM then the GM employees are
volunteers ?????

NHS rates *are* the going rate. Private practice for doctors usually involves
self-employment so you can set your own rates as you see fit.

Graham


From: joseph2k on
unsettled wrote:

> MooseFET wrote:
>> unsettled wrote:
>>
>>>MooseFET wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>unsettled wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>[...]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Gallup is "suspect"...right.... You will label anything you don't
>>>>>>like with any pejorative label you can come up with, just so you don't
>>>>>>have to deal
>>>>>>with it. Nice.
>>>>>
>>>>>You argue like a first grader.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But you are losing to him.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Are you following him, or are you following the lemming directly?
>>
>>
>> Neither. I'm just pointing out that this person that you claim is
>> arguing like a first grader is doing a better job than you are.
>>
>
> Your opinion is worthless.
oh gosh an ad hominem.
--
JosephKK
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