From: MooseFET on

jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
[...]
> Sure. But preventative health care does not apply to the needs of
> the old and the dying.

It does apply to the needs of the old a great deal. Preventing a
broken hip saves a huge amount of money. Preventing bone loss is very
important in the elderly.

From: T Wake on

<jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> In article <454B8A9B.7C879864(a)hotmail.com>,
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> >> That is why I'm trying to point out that having insurance is
>>> >> not a guarantee you will get access to treatment when you need it.
>>> >> The only thing our politicians are trying to do is to make
>>> >> the insurance available to all from a single payer, the US
>>> >> government. This will cause a decrease in access.
>>> >
>>> >How ?
>>>
>>> Doctors are also avoiding taking on new Medicare patients because
>>> they don't paid for the services delivered in a timely manner. I
>>> don't know how long the delay is now, but Dukakis years had a
>>> payment delay of 9 months to 2 years. That means that a
>>> pharmacist or a doctor had to wait that long before he got
>>> paid for a service he provided years before.
>>
>>So all you're doing here is criticising the failings of your current
>>system.
> Quite
>>so. It needs radical overhaul.
>
> To go to a single payer system implies an expansion of the Medicare
> system. So a national health insurer will not work well.

Why not?

> Congress even did something sensible and passed an extraordinary
> insurance. The youngsteres who ran AARP caused their subscribers
> to get it repealed.
>
>
>>
>>It's rare here to find a doctor who *doesn't* do NHS work.
>
> Is his license tied to volunteering?

NHS work is not "volunteer" work.


From: T Wake on

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> unsettled wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>>
>> >>>It's rare here to find a doctor who *doesn't* do NHS work.
>> >>
>> >>Is his license tied to volunteering?
>> >
>> >
>> > Licence ? You mean his qualification as a doctor. That's dealt with by
>> > the BMA (
>> > British Medical Association ) as it always has been.
>> >
>> > Most doctors here simply work for the NHS since it's the largest health
>> > care
>> > employer in the land. There's no compulsion to do so and you can work
>> > in private
>> > practice to or even both, just like any other job.
>>
>> The short answer to the question is that you don't know.
>
> What part of my answer didn't you understand ?

Given Unsettled's previous levels of understanding - probably all of it.

> No doctors have to 'volunteer' for anything. Where did you even get this
> volunteer idea
> ?

"They" do not know what the NHS is. "They" think it is a charity or
something.


From: T Wake on

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>
>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >So all you're doing here is criticising the failings of your current
>> >system.
>> >Quite so. It needs radical overhaul.
>>
>> To go to a single payer system implies an expansion of the Medicare
>> system. So a national health insurer will not work well.
>
> The use of the word *so* implies some cause-effect relationship which you
> have
> failed to show. I'm sorry but simple assertions based on political
> doctrine count
> for nought.
>
>
>> Congress even did something sensible and passed an extraordinary
>> insurance. The youngsteres who ran AARP caused their subscribers
>> to get it repealed.
>
> I know nothing about this.
>
>
>> >It's rare here to find a doctor who *doesn't* do NHS work.
>>
>> Is his license tied to volunteering?
>
> Licence ? You mean his qualification as a doctor. That's dealt with by the
> BMA (
> British Medical Association ) as it always has been.
>
> Most doctors here simply work for the NHS since it's the largest health
> care
> employer in the land.

IIRC it is something like the third largest single employer in Europe (or
the world or some such). Big old business the NHS :-) I am very much a fan
of it.


From: unsettled on
Jamie wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
>
>>
>> unsettled wrote:
>>
>>
>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've been telling that the Democrat leadership are insane.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is an appeasement repeat taken from from Britain's
>>> history at the early stages of WW1 and WW2. We can't
>>> defend liberty by appeasing those who would end it.
>>
>>
>>
>> You think there was appeasement before / during WW1 ?
>>
>> You have some funny ideas.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>>
> Hey mate, talking about funny ideas!

I'll bet he's one of those who believes Austria-Hungary
fired the first shot in WW1.