Kip Thorne. Objects do not fall faster than light in a black hole
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From: Androcles on 8 Aug 2010 03:33 <brucepew(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:dea3c164-070e-40f8-8521-1bf7b04d2c6d(a)p11g2000prf.googlegroups.com... On Aug 4, 1:33 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 4, 7:44 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Kip Thorne's excuse would mean there is no more gravity for energy > > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would > > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole. > > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get > > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole > > > itself. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Instead of making up what you think you remember Kip Thorne might have > > said when you skimmed his book in the library some years ago, why > > don't you go back to the library, read it again, and post when you > > have it fresh in your mind? > > Kip Thorne's excuse advocating that there are no problems with black > holes is a cover up. Gravity pushing energy to light speed at the > event horizon is a violation of Einstein's first theory. Matter can > never reach the speed of light. That is why black holes are a > theoretical failure; and besides Einstein never agreed with them when > he saw what happened at the extreme of his theory. Einstein never > believed in a completely collapsed star. > > Mitch Raemsch You make these pronouncements from abject ignorance. Thorne's has more time to review the consequences of GR than Einstein did. Einstein's accomplishment is supreme but Misner, Thorne, and Wald wrote a huge textbook. You should read it. Pretty funny, BURT reading MTW. ================================================= Einstein's supreme accomplishment: http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img7.gif How long does it take to get from A to A? "the velocity of light in our theory plays the part, physically, of an infinitely great velocity." -- Einstein. You should read it, give it a "review". Pretty funny, Pepe Le Pew calling anything written by that fuckin' lunatic an "accomplishment". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEdBndu0YUM
From: brucepew on 8 Aug 2010 03:47 On Aug 8, 12:33 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote: > <bruce...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:dea3c164-070e-40f8-8521-1bf7b04d2c6d(a)p11g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 4, 1:33 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 7:44 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 3, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Kip Thorne's excuse would mean there is no more gravity for energy > > > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would > > > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole. > > > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get > > > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole > > > > itself. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Instead of making up what you think you remember Kip Thorne might have > > > said when you skimmed his book in the library some years ago, why > > > don't you go back to the library, read it again, and post when you > > > have it fresh in your mind? > > > Kip Thorne's excuse advocating that there are no problems with black > > holes is a cover up. Gravity pushing energy to light speed at the > > event horizon is a violation of Einstein's first theory. Matter can > > never reach the speed of light. That is why black holes are a > > theoretical failure; and besides Einstein never agreed with them when > > he saw what happened at the extreme of his theory. Einstein never > > believed in a completely collapsed star. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > You make these pronouncements from abject ignorance. Thorne's has more > time to review the consequences of GR than Einstein did. Einstein's > accomplishment is supreme but Misner, Thorne, and Wald wrote a huge > textbook. You should read it. Pretty funny, BURT reading MTW. > ================================================= > Einstein's supreme accomplishment: > http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img7.gif > How long does it take to get from A to A? > "the velocity of light in our theory plays the part, physically, of an > infinitely great velocity." -- Einstein. > You should read it, give it a "review". > Pretty funny, Pepe Le Pew calling anything written by that fuckin' lunatic > an "accomplishment". > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEdBndu0YUM Still orbiting the dunce stool. Think you would have passed out by now.
From: brucepew on 8 Aug 2010 04:20 On Aug 8, 12:13 am, bruce...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > On Aug 4, 1:33 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 7:44 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 3, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Kip Thorne's excuse would mean there is no more gravity for energy > > > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would > > > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole. > > > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get > > > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole > > > > itself. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Instead of making up what you think you remember Kip Thorne might have > > > said when you skimmed his book in the library some years ago, why > > > don't you go back to the library, read it again, and post when you > > > have it fresh in your mind? > > > Kip Thorne's excuse advocating that there are no problems with black > > holes is a cover up. Gravity pushing energy to light speed at the > > event horizon is a violation of Einstein's first theory. Matter can > > never reach the speed of light. That is why black holes are a > > theoretical failure; and besides Einstein never agreed with them when > > he saw what happened at the extreme of his theory. Einstein never > > believed in a completely collapsed star. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > You make these pronouncements from abject ignorance. Thorne's has more > time to review the consequences of GR than Einstein did. Einstein's > accomplishment is supreme but Misner, Thorne, and Wald wrote a huge > textbook. You should read it. Pretty funny, BURT reading MTW. Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler. Wald's book is the other one that Androcles hasn't read.
From: BURT on 8 Aug 2010 06:06 On Aug 8, 12:13 am, bruce...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > On Aug 4, 1:33 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 7:44 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 3, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > Kip Thorne's excuse would mean there is no more gravity for energy > > > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would > > > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole. > > > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get > > > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole > > > > itself. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Instead of making up what you think you remember Kip Thorne might have > > > said when you skimmed his book in the library some years ago, why > > > don't you go back to the library, read it again, and post when you > > > have it fresh in your mind? > > > Kip Thorne's excuse advocating that there are no problems with black > > holes is a cover up. Gravity pushing energy to light speed at the > > event horizon is a violation of Einstein's first theory. Matter can > > never reach the speed of light. That is why black holes are a > > theoretical failure; and besides Einstein never agreed with them when > > he saw what happened at the extreme of his theory. Einstein never > > believed in a completely collapsed star. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > You make these pronouncements from abject ignorance. Thorne's has more > time to review the consequences of GR than Einstein did. Einstein's > accomplishment is supreme but Misner, Thorne, and Wald wrote a huge > textbook. You should read it. Pretty funny, BURT reading MTW.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Matter reaches light speed at the event horizon and that is the end of time. This is what the theory says and it disproves itself by violating the motion laws. Mitch Raemsch
From: Hikaru Yamoshi on 8 Aug 2010 06:51
On Aug 4, 4:44 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 3, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Kip Thorne's excuse would mean there is no more gravity for energy > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole. > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole > > itself. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Instead of making up what you think you remember Kip Thorne might have > said when you skimmed his book in the library some years ago, why > don't you go back to the library, read it again, and post when you > have it fresh in your mind? rather you refuse to admit BURT has a valid point once again if speed of matter gets infinite when close to a black hole, then it should get out on the other side of singularity, if any singularities dos NOT annihilate inertia !!! annihilate inertia then you have no singularity whatsoever !!! good bye |