Kip Thorne. Objects do not fall faster than light in a black hole
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From: BURT on 12 Aug 2010 13:26 On Aug 12, 8:57 am, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > On Aug 11, 4:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 2:26 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > On Aug 9, 10:24 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:42 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 4, 3:29 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:16 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 11:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kip Thorne's excuse would mean there is no more gravity for energy > > > > > > > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would > > > > > > > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole. > > > > > > > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get > > > > > > > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > Get it right Inside a black hole nothing can overcome the gravity > > > > > > > force. (no escape velosity).That is why it can't be seen TreBert > > > > > > > If there is even greater gravity inside the theory says you reach > > > > > > light speed at the event horizon then gravity would propel energy > > > > > > faster than light. Even reaching light speed is a violation of SR > > > > > > motion laws. So black holes are disproved by violating the motion law > > > > > > of Einstein. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > the matenergy gets bended at the even horizon and > > > > > then chew up as it falls deeper and deeper, then, > > > > > at the breaking barrier stage, everything > > > > > turns into electromagnetic waves at c > > > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Matter falling at light speed violates the motion laws of Special > > > > Relativity. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > that matter becomes light (and other not visible waves) > > > that light gets swallowed by the black hole so it escapes our > > > spacetime and we can't see it > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Where did Einstein say matter could become light because of gravity? > > General Relativity does not say so. That is your excuse for science. > > Oh Burt, you still need to learn a lot but you r getting better. > where does he say that? > > e=mc^2 That doesn't involove gravity. Mitch Raemsch > > gravity can be better than all cyclotrons together > converting matter into energy. > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: Raymond Yohros on 12 Aug 2010 13:34 On Aug 12, 12:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 12, 8:57 am, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 4:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 11, 2:26 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 9, 10:24 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:42 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 3:29 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:16 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 11:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kip Thorne's excuse would mean there is no more gravity for energy > > > > > > > > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would > > > > > > > > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole. > > > > > > > > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get > > > > > > > > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole > > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > Get it right Inside a black hole nothing can overcome the gravity > > > > > > > > force. (no escape velosity).That is why it can't be seen TreBert > > > > > > > > If there is even greater gravity inside the theory says you reach > > > > > > > light speed at the event horizon then gravity would propel energy > > > > > > > faster than light. Even reaching light speed is a violation of SR > > > > > > > motion laws. So black holes are disproved by violating the motion law > > > > > > > of Einstein. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > the matenergy gets bended at the even horizon and > > > > > > then chew up as it falls deeper and deeper, then, > > > > > > at the breaking barrier stage, everything > > > > > > turns into electromagnetic waves at c > > > > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Matter falling at light speed violates the motion laws of Special > > > > > Relativity. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > that matter becomes light (and other not visible waves) > > > > that light gets swallowed by the black hole so it escapes our > > > > spacetime and we can't see it > > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Where did Einstein say matter could become light because of gravity? > > > General Relativity does not say so. That is your excuse for science. > > > Oh Burt, you still need to learn a lot but you r getting better. > > where does he say that? > > > e=mc^2 > > That doesn't involove gravity. > is there any gravity in stars?
From: BURT on 12 Aug 2010 17:14 On Aug 12, 10:34 am, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > On Aug 12, 12:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 8:57 am, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > On Aug 11, 4:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 11, 2:26 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 9, 10:24 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:42 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 3:29 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:16 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 11:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kip Thorne's excuse would mean there is no more gravity for energy > > > > > > > > > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would > > > > > > > > > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole. > > > > > > > > > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get > > > > > > > > > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole > > > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > Get it right Inside a black hole nothing can overcome the gravity > > > > > > > > > force. (no escape velosity).That is why it can't be seen TreBert > > > > > > > > > If there is even greater gravity inside the theory says you reach > > > > > > > > light speed at the event horizon then gravity would propel energy > > > > > > > > faster than light. Even reaching light speed is a violation of SR > > > > > > > > motion laws. So black holes are disproved by violating the motion law > > > > > > > > of Einstein. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > the matenergy gets bended at the even horizon and > > > > > > > then chew up as it falls deeper and deeper, then, > > > > > > > at the breaking barrier stage, everything > > > > > > > turns into electromagnetic waves at c > > > > > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Matter falling at light speed violates the motion laws of Special > > > > > > Relativity. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > that matter becomes light (and other not visible waves) > > > > > that light gets swallowed by the black hole so it escapes our > > > > > spacetime and we can't see it > > > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Where did Einstein say matter could become light because of gravity? > > > > General Relativity does not say so. That is your excuse for science.. > > > > Oh Burt, you still need to learn a lot but you r getting better. > > > where does he say that? > > > > e=mc^2 > > > That doesn't involove gravity. > > is there any gravity in stars?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You are nuts. That is neuclear energy. Black holes violate energy law. Mitch Raemsch
From: bert on 12 Aug 2010 18:05 On Aug 12, 1:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 12, 8:57 am, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 4:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 11, 2:26 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 9, 10:24 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:42 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 3:29 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:16 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 11:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kip Thorne's excuse would mean there is no more gravity for energy > > > > > > > > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would > > > > > > > > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole. > > > > > > > > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get > > > > > > > > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole > > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > Get it right Inside a black hole nothing can overcome the gravity > > > > > > > > force. (no escape velosity).That is why it can't be seen TreBert > > > > > > > > If there is even greater gravity inside the theory says you reach > > > > > > > light speed at the event horizon then gravity would propel energy > > > > > > > faster than light. Even reaching light speed is a violation of SR > > > > > > > motion laws. So black holes are disproved by violating the motion law > > > > > > > of Einstein. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > the matenergy gets bended at the even horizon and > > > > > > then chew up as it falls deeper and deeper, then, > > > > > > at the breaking barrier stage, everything > > > > > > turns into electromagnetic waves at c > > > > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Matter falling at light speed violates the motion laws of Special > > > > > Relativity. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > that matter becomes light (and other not visible waves) > > > > that light gets swallowed by the black hole so it escapes our > > > > spacetime and we can't see it > > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Where did Einstein say matter could become light because of gravity? > > > General Relativity does not say so. That is your excuse for science. > > > Oh Burt, you still need to learn a lot but you r getting better. > > where does he say that? > > > e=mc^2 > > That doesn't involove gravity. > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > gravity can be better than all cyclotrons together > > converting matter into energy. > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Kip Thorne was big on "worm holes" He went where others were afraid to go. TreBert
From: BURT on 12 Aug 2010 18:54
On Aug 12, 3:05 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > On Aug 12, 1:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 8:57 am, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > On Aug 11, 4:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 11, 2:26 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 9, 10:24 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:42 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 3:29 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:16 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 11:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kip Thorne's excuse would mean there is no more gravity for energy > > > > > > > > > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would > > > > > > > > > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole. > > > > > > > > > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get > > > > > > > > > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole > > > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > Get it right Inside a black hole nothing can overcome the gravity > > > > > > > > > force. (no escape velosity).That is why it can't be seen TreBert > > > > > > > > > If there is even greater gravity inside the theory says you reach > > > > > > > > light speed at the event horizon then gravity would propel energy > > > > > > > > faster than light. Even reaching light speed is a violation of SR > > > > > > > > motion laws. So black holes are disproved by violating the motion law > > > > > > > > of Einstein. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > the matenergy gets bended at the even horizon and > > > > > > > then chew up as it falls deeper and deeper, then, > > > > > > > at the breaking barrier stage, everything > > > > > > > turns into electromagnetic waves at c > > > > > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Matter falling at light speed violates the motion laws of Special > > > > > > Relativity. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > that matter becomes light (and other not visible waves) > > > > > that light gets swallowed by the black hole so it escapes our > > > > > spacetime and we can't see it > > > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Where did Einstein say matter could become light because of gravity? > > > > General Relativity does not say so. That is your excuse for science.. > > > > Oh Burt, you still need to learn a lot but you r getting better. > > > where does he say that? > > > > e=mc^2 > > > That doesn't involove gravity. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > gravity can be better than all cyclotrons together > > > converting matter into energy. > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Kip Thorne was big on "worm holes" He went where others were afraid to > go. TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Wormholes are a bunk idea. A correct interpretation of GR does not even predict them. There are no gravity wells just curved space where gravity geoemetry passes through itself in a multibody gravity system. Mitch Raemsch |