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From: PD on 4 Aug 2010 10:44
On Aug 3, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Kip Thorne's excuse  would mean there is no more gravity for energy
> once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would
> propel energy faster than light in the black hole.
>
> The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get
> rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole
> itself.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

Instead of making up what you think you remember Kip Thorne might have
said when you skimmed his book in the library some years ago, why
don't you go back to the library, read it again, and post when you
have it fresh in your mind?
From: bert on 4 Aug 2010 13:16
On Aug 3, 11:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Kip Thorne's excuse  would mean there is no more gravity for energy
> once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would
> propel energy faster than light in the black hole.
>
> The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get
> rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole
> itself.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

Get it right Inside a black hole nothing can overcome the gravity
force. (no escape velosity).That is why it can't be seen TreBert
From: BURT on 4 Aug 2010 16:29
On Aug 4, 10:16 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 11:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Kip Thorne's excuse  would mean there is no more gravity for energy
> > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would
> > propel energy faster than light in the black hole.
>
> > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get
> > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole
> > itself.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> Get it right  Inside a black hole nothing can overcome the gravity
> force. (no escape velosity).That is why it can't be seen   TreBert

If there is even greater gravity inside the theory says you reach
light speed at the event horizon then gravity would propel energy
faster than light. Even reaching light speed is a violation of SR
motion laws. So black holes are disproved by violating the motion law
of Einstein.

Mitch Raemsch
From: BURT on 4 Aug 2010 16:33
On Aug 4, 7:44 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Kip Thorne's excuse  would mean there is no more gravity for energy
> > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would
> > propel energy faster than light in the black hole.
>
> > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get
> > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole
> > itself.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> Instead of making up what you think you remember Kip Thorne might have
> said when you skimmed his book in the library some years ago, why
> don't you go back to the library, read it again, and post when you
> have it fresh in your mind?

Kip Thorne's excuse advocating that there are no problems with black
holes is a cover up. Gravity pushing energy to light speed at the
event horizon is a violation of Einstein's first theory. Matter can
never reach the speed of light. That is why black holes are a
theoretical failure; and besides Einstein never agreed with them when
he saw what happened at the extreme of his theory. Einstein never
believed in a completely collapsed star.

Mitch Raemsch
From: brucepew on 8 Aug 2010 03:13
On Aug 4, 1:33 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 7:44 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 3, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Kip Thorne's excuse  would mean there is no more gravity for energy
> > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would
> > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole.
>
> > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get
> > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole
> > > itself.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Instead of making up what you think you remember Kip Thorne might have
> > said when you skimmed his book in the library some years ago, why
> > don't you go back to the library, read it again, and post when you
> > have it fresh in your mind?
>
> Kip Thorne's excuse advocating that there are no problems with black
> holes is a cover up. Gravity pushing energy to light speed at the
> event horizon is a violation of Einstein's first theory. Matter can
> never reach the speed of light. That is why black holes are a
> theoretical failure; and besides Einstein never agreed with them when
> he saw what happened at the extreme of his theory. Einstein never
> believed in a completely collapsed star.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

You make these pronouncements from abject ignorance. Thorne's has more
time to review the consequences of GR than Einstein did. Einstein's
accomplishment is supreme but Misner, Thorne, and Wald wrote a huge
textbook. You should read it. Pretty funny, BURT reading MTW.
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