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From: Bart Mathias on 2 Jan 2010 20:02 Brian M. Scott wrote: > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:06:14 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden > <acornish(a)ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote in > <news:7puuomFv0lU1(a)mid.individual.net> in > sci.math,sci.physics,sci.lang,alt.usage.english,alt.philosophy: > > [...] > >> "either" and "ether" are not a minimal pair for many >> (most?) native speakers; [...] > > They're not for me, but in the U.S. I'm in the minority. I thought I should take the time to check a dictionary before I asked, but you turn out to belong to too much of a minority to impinge on Webster's Collegiate. /T/ or /D/?
From: Mahipal7638 on 2 Jan 2010 21:04 On Dec 25 2009, 11:10 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > On Dec 25, 7:22 pm, Mahipal7638 <mahipal7...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Dec 25, 6:59 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > > On Dec 25, 2:01 pm, James Hogg <Jas.H...(a)gOUTmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Peter T. Daniels wrote: > > > > > On Dec 25, 11:43 am, Yusuf B Gursey <y...(a)theworld.com> wrote: > > > > >> On Dec 25, 10:45 am, Andrew Usher <k_over_hb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >>> Peter T. Daniels wrote: > > > > >>>>> The third explanation is that English is more versatile. IOW, > > > > >>>>> people can make up new words easily. I did this as part of > > > > >>>>> my job. > > > > >>>> I take it you don't know Arabic? > > > > >>> Her 'explanation', if true, is just a variant of my first i.e. the > > > > >>> classicists that control Latin insist on purity over accepting new > > > > >>> words like any living language must. > > > > >>> Andrew Usher > > > > >> I read that the Latin of the Vatican continuously makes up new words, > > > > > > There's a Latin radio station in Finland. > > > > > >> as well as the Latin used for taxonomy. ditto for Modern Standard > > > > >> Arabic, which is very closely based on Classical Arabic, and spoken > > > > >> Arabic is quite divergent from it. there is also Neo-Syriac. Israeli > > > > >> Hebrew is rather more deviant from Biblical Hebrew though. > > > > > > What does Neo-Syriac (or any form of Modern Aramaic) have to do with > > > > > the creation of modern scientific vocabulary? > > > > > > Israeli scholars do publish in Hebrew, but they realize that if > > > > > they're going to get an international hearing, they have to publish in > > > > > English (or maybe French -- when Israel was founded in 1948, its third > > > > > official language was French rather than English). > > > > > >> why isn't this cross-posted to a medical or biological NG? Latin based > > > > >> coinages are AFAIK more alive in those fields. philosophy tends, AFAIK > > > > >> towards german. particle physics is inovative: quark (a fundamental > > > > >> particle, IIRC from a type of german cheese, but based on a miss- > > > > > > Did Gell-Mann ever claim any connection with Ger. Quark?? > > > > > >> quotation from James Joyce) and "color" and "flavor",(characteristics > > > > > > Joyce _didn't_ write "three quarks for Mister Mork"? > > > > > Strictly speaking, he wrote "Three quarks for Muster Mark!" > > > > Yeah, that's how I've seen it. So what's the misquotation? > > > Obviously, there's no misquotation given the "_didn't_" in your line. > > > Get over it, and thanks for not being a regular in sci.physics for you > > would be a visual, given Usenet is the medium it is, pain. > > > Enjo(y)... > > At least the Indians in sci.lang can write intelligible English. I > have no idea what you just said. You know no Indians in any news group. Type whatever you may think you're cleverly saying. You obviously have problems reading the written words. Only a mere two whole sentences, and you had no idea what got said! Wonderful. Try this in Hindi or Math or Otherwise: "Pretentious Pain" == "Peter Daniels" Ergo, why I thought you a visual pain, in any medium -- written or otherwise. Enjo(y)... -- Mahipal
From: Peter T. Daniels on 2 Jan 2010 23:16 On Jan 2, 8:02 pm, Bart Mathias <math...(a)hawaii.edu> wrote: > Brian M. Scott wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:06:14 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden > > <acorn...(a)ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote in > > <news:7puuomFv0lU1(a)mid.individual.net> in > > sci.math,sci.physics,sci.lang,alt.usage.english,alt.philosophy: > > > [...] > > >> "either" and "ether" are not a minimal pair for many > >> (most?) native speakers; [...] > > > They're not for me, but in the U.S. I'm in the minority. > > I thought I should take the time to check a dictionary before I asked, > but you turn out to belong to too much of a minority to impinge on > Webster's Collegiate. /T/ or /D/? Surely he refers to the /'ayD@r/ pronunciation, not to a nonexistent */'iyT@r/.
From: Brian M. Scott on 3 Jan 2010 01:38 On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:02:09 -1000, Bart Mathias <mathias(a)hawaii.edu> wrote in <news:hhoqah$chi$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> in sci.math,sci.physics,sci.lang,alt.usage.english,alt.philosophy: > Brian M. Scott wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:06:14 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden >> <acornish(a)ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote in >> <news:7puuomFv0lU1(a)mid.individual.net> in >> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.lang,alt.usage.english,alt.philosophy: >> [...] >>> "either" and "ether" are not a minimal pair for many >>> (most?) native speakers; [...] >> They're not for me, but in the U.S. I'm in the minority. > I thought I should take the time to check a dictionary > before I asked, but you turn out to belong to too much > of a minority to impinge on Webster's Collegiate. /T/ > or /D/? Eh? I have <either> with [aID-] and <ether> with [i:T-]. Brian
From: Peter T. Daniels on 3 Jan 2010 08:56
On Jan 3, 1:38 am, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...(a)csuohio.edu> wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:02:09 -1000, Bart Mathias > <math...(a)hawaii.edu> wrote in > <news:hhoqah$chi$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> in > sci.math,sci.physics,sci.lang,alt.usage.english,alt.philosophy: > > > Brian M. Scott wrote: > >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:06:14 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden > >> <acorn...(a)ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote in > >> <news:7puuomFv0lU1(a)mid.individual.net> in > >> sci.math,sci.physics,sci.lang,alt.usage.english,alt.philosophy: > >> [...] > >>> "either" and "ether" are not a minimal pair for many > >>> (most?) native speakers; [...] > >> They're not for me, but in the U.S. I'm in the minority. > > I thought I should take the time to check a dictionary > > before I asked, but you turn out to belong to too much > > of a minority to impinge on Webster's Collegiate. /T/ > > or /D/? > > Eh? I have <either> with [aID-] and <ether> with [i:T-]. Most people don't settle exclusively on one or the other allomorph in cases of free variation. |