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From: James Hogg on 30 Dec 2009 06:18 Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: > Peter T. Daniels wrote: >> On Dec 29, 9:27 pm, "PaulJK" <paul.kr...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>> jmfbahciv wrote: > >>> Your guess seems to me to be a good one. It would explain how >>> sometimes he sees chars with diacritics and sometimes just spaces >>> giving him the impression that it's something the posters do, not >>> his google i/face. > >> The missing-character thing NEVER happened before I mentioned it a >> day or two ago. > > Do you remember the message(-ID)? If so we could analyze the error. You can take a message of mine as an example: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.english.usage/msg/1b052723d2e17c01 I typed the name Ant�nio with an accent on the first "o", posting in ISO-8859-1. It shows up as "Ant nio" in the ordinary GG format, but if you view the original of the message you see "Ant�nio". In the original of Peter's reply that has become "Ant nio". -- James
From: Helmut Wollmersdorfer on 30 Dec 2009 07:18 James Hogg wrote: > Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: >> Peter T. Daniels wrote: >>> On Dec 29, 9:27 pm, "PaulJK" <paul.kr...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> jmfbahciv wrote: >> >>>> Your guess seems to me to be a good one. It would explain how >>>> sometimes he sees chars with diacritics and sometimes just spaces >>>> giving him the impression that it's something the posters do, not >>>> his google i/face. >> >>> The missing-character thing NEVER happened before I mentioned it a >>> day or two ago. >> >> Do you remember the message(-ID)? If so we could analyze the error. > > You can take a message of mine as an example: > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.english.usage/msg/1b052723d2e17c01 > > I typed the name Ant�nio with an accent on the first "o", posting in > ISO-8859-1. Looks nice in my reader. > It shows up as "Ant nio" in the ordinary GG format, An error of GG. > but if you view the > original of the message you see "Ant�nio". I cannot reproduce this error. Looks like "double or triple encoding". This error is in _your_ configuration. > In the original of Peter's reply that has become "Ant nio". Helmut Wollmersdorfer
From: António Marques on 30 Dec 2009 07:54 Wolfgang Schwanke wrote (30-12-2009 09:19): > "Peter T. Daniels"<grammatim(a)verizon.net> wrote in > news:108a56fc-d0c6-4938-a1c9-3d33f2857f94(a)e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com: > >> On Dec 29, 1:02 am, Marvin the Martian<mar...(a)ontomars.org> wrote: >>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:39:04 -0800, Peter T. Daniels wrote: >>>>>> What ape has "acquired language"? >>> >>>>> Washo, for one.- >>> >>>> No one was ever allowed to interact with Washoe except her own >>>> trainers, who, like the attendants of the Oracle of Delphi, carried >>>> her messages back to the observers. Signers who got to see rare >>>> unedited clips of her gestural activity reported that it was >>>> nothing like signing. >>> >>> So, you're saying it is all fraud to get funding? >> >> No, I'm saying (as many have) that it is a "Clever Hans Phenomenon." > > There are several animals of different species (chimpanzees, dolphins, > a grey parrot) who've been reported to have acquired various symbolic > languages. Don't forget the octopi. > By extension you're saying they are all "clever hanses"? Well, they're certainly not 'dumb'.
From: António Marques on 30 Dec 2009 07:57 Wolfgang Schwanke wrote (30-12-2009 09:22): > chazwin<chazwyman(a)yahoo.com> wrote > in news:f9d1f79c-601a-4e34-90cf- > c34bf9a7607f(a)d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com: > >> On Dec 27, 12:41 am, Robert Bannister<robb...(a)bigpond.com> wrote: >>> chazwin wrote: >>> >>>> All thinking is language dependant. >>> >>> I have serious doubts about that unless you think that thinking you're >>> hungry isn't thinking. >> >> Being hungry is not the same as realising the feeling and giving a >> name to it. That requires thinking and thinking is structured by >> language. > > How about realising the feeling and not giving a name to it? > > It has been mentioned in this thread before: Most people probably have > experienced that they had an idea but were momentarily unable to > express it in words. That pretty much proves that thought can occur > without expressing it in language. I could never understand the thought ~ language thing. Why the need to associate the two in the first place? On a related note, am I the only one able to read/write without mentally hearing/speaking?
From: António Marques on 30 Dec 2009 07:58
Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote (30-12-2009 10:29): > Peter T. Daniels wrote: >> On Dec 29, 9:27 pm, "PaulJK" <paul.kr...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>> jmfbahciv wrote: > >>> Your guess seems to me to be a good one. It would >>> explain how sometimes he sees chars with diacritics and >>> sometimes just spaces giving him the impression that it's >>> something the posters do, not his google i/face. > >> The missing-character thing NEVER happened before I mentioned it a day >> or two ago. > > Do you remember the message(-ID)? If so we could analyze the error. From the description, it's some sort of glitch within GG. Nothing worth being analyzed (probably not even amenable to analysis). |