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From: TaliesinSoft on 29 Oct 2009 21:01 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:42:27 -0500, Davoud wrote (in article <291020092042271350%star(a)sky.net>): [in response to my having asked] >> I'm curious as to what are the features in Entourage, as an email client, >> that makes it superior to Mail. > > Stability, easy-to-configure interface, ease of use -- especially the > excellent filters. And the intangibles -- over time, the realization that > Entourage simply provides a better user experience than Mail. In response.... Stability - I have no recollection of Mail ever crashing or failing to perform. Easy-to-Configure - I haven't ever had difficulty configuring Mail, and that includes setting up a number of "smart mailboxes" into which copies of incoming mail are placed based upon their conforming to one or more rules. Excellent Filters - Again, no problems here. Intangibles - Now that can be wide open! :-) User Experience - I'll be fair and say that I've not used Entourage but I haven't had any negative experiences with Mail that would make me want to seek an alternative. -- James Leo Ryan --- Austin, Texas --- taliesinsoft(a)me.com
From: Nick Naym on 29 Oct 2009 23:44 In article 0001HW.C70F94320091763DB01029BF(a)News.Individual.NET, TaliesinSoft at taliesinsoft(a)me.com wrote on 10/29/09 7:49 PM: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:10:25 -0500, Nick Naym wrote > (in article <C70F9921.49E79%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>): > > [commenting on Mail, the application included with OS X] > >> But there are two other items that have deterred me from making the move: >> the lack of the ability to reposition Mail.app's preview pane, and the >> ability to arrange the messages not only by date, but also by groups. > > The preview pane can be resized by clicking on the bar which separates the > list of mail from the preview and moving it upwards and downwards. I'm not talking about _resizing_...I'm talking about _repositioning_ (viz., moving the pane from the bottom to the right side). I have that ability in Entourage, but not in Mail.app > The > alternative to arranging mail by groups within Mail is handled by creating > "smart" mailboxes and then clicking on the one you would like to see. Not sure if that's the same. Entourage has smart mailboxes as well, but they have noting to do with incorporating "groups" as a heading when arranging messages. For example, in both programs, I can organize the messages by "Sent," which will array them in the date order they were sent. In Entourage, however, I can go one further: Having organized the messages by "Sent," I can arrange them _again_ by selecting "Show in Groups," which then takes those arrayed messages and groups them into additional, larger timeframe categories: Today," Yesterday," ..."Monday,"..."Last Week," "Two Weeks Ago,"...etc. (It may seem trivial to some, but imagine keeping a schedule with all your appointments arranged by hour and day, but not in a calendar fashion with your Monday's appointments on a page called "Monday," Tuesday's appointments on a page called "Tuesday,"...etc.) -- iMac (24", 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320 GB HDD) � OS X (10.5.8)
From: Nick Naym on 30 Oct 2009 00:02 In article 291020092042271350%star(a)sky.net, Davoud at star(a)sky.net wrote on 10/29/09 8:42 PM: > Davoud: >>> The thing that deters me from switching from Entourage to Mail is that >>> Entourage is the best e-mail client that ever was for the Mac Full stop. > > TaliesinSoft: >> I'm curious as to what are the features in Entourage, as an email client, >> that makes it superior to Mail. > > Stability, easy-to-configure interface, ease of use -- especially the > excellent filters. And the intangibles -- over time, the realization > that Entourage simply provides a better user experience than Mail. > > Davoud I don't know what you've been using, but it doesn't sound at all like Entourage. Hell, take a gander at microsoft.public.mac.office.entourage a few times a day for a few days -- and if you have a few more days to spare, read the tons of "workarounds" on the Entourage "Help" Pages at http://www.entourage.mvps.org -- and what emerges is one problematic piece of software. -- iMac (24", 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320 GB HDD) � OS X (10.5.8)
From: Nick Naym on 30 Oct 2009 00:04 In article 291020092015505579%star(a)sky.net, Davoud at star(a)sky.net wrote on 10/29/09 8:15 PM: > Nick Naym wrote: > >> I've been reluctant to move from Entourage to Mail.app in part because I can >> access NG messages in Entourage, but not in Mail.app... >> >> But there are two other items that have deterred me from making the move... > > The thing that deters me from switching from Entourage to Mail is that > Entourage is the best e-mail client that ever was for the Mac Full > stop. > > Davoud You gotta be kidding me! The Good: It has lots of features that remind me of Outlook Express (which is what I was used to in OS 9). The Bad: This "OE on Steroids" program trips over its own feet and chokes on itself constantly, forcing repeated rebuilds...partly because, I suspect, everything is stored in one humongous database susceptible to routine complete crash-and-burns whenever one single byte (out of many gigabytes) becomes corrupted. -- iMac (24", 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320 GB HDD) � OS X (10.5.8)
From: Nick Naym on 30 Oct 2009 00:15
In article 0001HW.C70F9D1300938AFAB01029BF(a)News.Individual.NET, TaliesinSoft at taliesinsoft(a)me.com wrote on 10/29/09 8:27 PM: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:15:50 -0500, Davoud wrote (in article > <291020092015505579%star(a)sky.net>): > >> The thing that deters me from switching from Entourage to Mail is that >> Entourage is the best e-mail client that ever was for the Mac Full stop. > > I'm curious as to what are the features in Entourage, as an email client, > that makes it superior to Mail. The items I mentioned in my original post: Its ability to handle NG posts as if they were emails; its more-flexible organization of messages; and its preview pane options. Otherwise, it's a bloated pig that too often crashes and burns, and risks _total data loss_ with each crash and burn. -- iMac (24", 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320 GB HDD) � OS X (10.5.8) |