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From: TaliesinSoft on 30 Oct 2009 11:18 On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:44:53 -0500, Nick Naym wrote (in article <C70FD975.49E9A%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>): [responding to my having stated in regards to Entourage and Mail] >> The alternative to arranging mail by groups within Mail is handled by >> creating "smart" mailboxes and then clicking on the one you would like to >> see. > > Not sure if that's the same. Entourage has smart mailboxes as well, but > they have noting to do with incorporating "groups" as a heading when > arranging messages. > > For example, in both programs, I can organize the messages by "Sent," which > will array them in the date order they were sent. In Entourage, however, I > can go one further: Having organized the messages by "Sent," I can arrange > them _again_ by selecting "Show in Groups," which then takes those arrayed > messages and groups them into additional, larger timeframe categories: > Today," Yesterday," ..."Monday,"..."Last Week," "Two Weeks Ago,"...etc. > (It may seem trivial to some, but imagine keeping a schedule with all your > appointments arranged by hour and day, but not in a calendar fashion with > your Monday's appointments on a page called "Monday," Tuesday's > appointments on a page called "Tuesday,"...etc.) In Mail one can create smart mailboxes that contain only mail which is received within a stated time period (say today, yesterday, 2 days ago, and so-on) and further restrict the contents to only those senders contained within a group which is defined in the Address Book. There are quite a few options available, the example above being only one. -- James Leo Ryan --- Austin, Texas --- taliesinsoft(a)me.com
From: Tom Stiller on 30 Oct 2009 14:45 In article <C70FDDA1.49EC6%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > In article 291020092042271350%star(a)sky.net, Davoud at star(a)sky.net wrote on > 10/29/09 8:42 PM: > > > Davoud: > >>> The thing that deters me from switching from Entourage to Mail is that > >>> Entourage is the best e-mail client that ever was for the Mac Full stop. > > > > TaliesinSoft: > >> I'm curious as to what are the features in Entourage, as an email client, > >> that makes it superior to Mail. > > > > Stability, easy-to-configure interface, ease of use -- especially the > > excellent filters. And the intangibles -- over time, the realization > > that Entourage simply provides a better user experience than Mail. > > > > Davoud > > I don't know what you've been using, but it doesn't sound at all like > Entourage. Hell, take a gander at microsoft.public.mac.office.entourage a > few times a day for a few days -- and if you have a few more days to spare, > read the tons of "workarounds" on the Entourage "Help" Pages at > http://www.entourage.mvps.org -- and what emerges is one problematic piece > of software. Also, the monolithic database is a big negative if one uses TimeMachine for backups. The problem can be mitigated somewhat by moving the "MicroSoft User Data" folder to a sparsebundle image file. However there is, as far as I know, no way to recover individual email messages from a TimeMachine backup, as there is for Mail's organization. -- Tom Stiller PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF
From: Robert Haar on 30 Oct 2009 15:13 On 10/30/09 12:04 AM, "Nick Naym" <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: >> The thing that deters me from switching from Entourage to Mail is that >> Entourage is the best e-mail client that ever was for the Mac Full >> stop. > > You gotta be kidding me! > > The Good: It has lots of features that remind me of Outlook Express (which > is what I was used to in OS 9). > > The Bad: This "OE on Steroids" program trips over its own feet and chokes on > itself constantly, forcing repeated rebuilds...partly because, I suspect, > everything is stored in one humongous database susceptible to routine > complete crash-and-burns whenever one single byte (out of many gigabytes) > becomes corrupted. I switched from Entourage to Mail for this reason. After I had to rebuild the database three ties in one week, I was feed up. I am still using Entourage for Netnews. I have tried several newsreaders,but don't like the interfaces of any of them. The filtering is pretty weak but I like the three pane display (list of news groups on the side, list of articles in the currently selected news group and the article preview. The one thing that I don't like about Mail is that it doesn't follow standard quoting in display of messages with nested replies. Maybe there is a preernce for this, but I haven't found it.
From: Nick Naym on 30 Oct 2009 18:20 In article 0001HW.C7106E0400C482FCB01029BF(a)News.Individual.NET, TaliesinSoft at taliesinsoft(a)me.com wrote on 10/30/09 11:18 AM: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:44:53 -0500, Nick Naym wrote (in article > <C70FD975.49E9A%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>): > > [responding to my having stated in regards to Entourage and Mail] > >>> The alternative to arranging mail by groups within Mail is handled by >>> creating "smart" mailboxes and then clicking on the one you would like to >>> see. >> >> Not sure if that's the same. Entourage has smart mailboxes as well, but >> they have noting to do with incorporating "groups" as a heading when >> arranging messages. >> >> For example, in both programs, I can organize the messages by "Sent," which >> will array them in the date order they were sent. In Entourage, however, I >> can go one further: Having organized the messages by "Sent," I can arrange >> them _again_ by selecting "Show in Groups," which then takes those arrayed >> messages and groups them into additional, larger timeframe categories: >> Today," Yesterday," ..."Monday,"..."Last Week," "Two Weeks Ago,"...etc. >> (It may seem trivial to some, but imagine keeping a schedule with all your >> appointments arranged by hour and day, but not in a calendar fashion with >> your Monday's appointments on a page called "Monday," Tuesday's >> appointments on a page called "Tuesday,"...etc.) > > In Mail one can create smart mailboxes that contain only mail which is > received within a stated time period (say today, yesterday, 2 days ago, and > so-on) and further restrict the contents to only those senders contained > within a group which is defined in the Address Book. There are quite a few > options available, the example above being only one. > Same is true in Entourage in something called "Mail Views." But that is a separate filtering process -- and results in a separate list of folders ("smart mailboxes") -- from what Entourage enables in the regular list of emails in any "regular" mailbox. I don't want to have to create a separate "special" mailbox for each "regular" mailbox, simply to better organize the chronological order of emails I receive in each regular mailbox. -- iMac (24", 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320 GB HDD) � OS X (10.5.8)
From: Nick Naym on 30 Oct 2009 18:41
In article tom_stiller-E014E0.14455530102009(a)news.individual.net, Tom Stiller at tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com wrote on 10/30/09 2:45 PM: > In article <C70FDDA1.49EC6%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, > Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > >> In article 291020092042271350%star(a)sky.net, Davoud at star(a)sky.net wrote on >> 10/29/09 8:42 PM: >> >>> Davoud: >>>>> The thing that deters me from switching from Entourage to Mail is that >>>>> Entourage is the best e-mail client that ever was for the Mac Full stop. >>> >>> TaliesinSoft: >>>> I'm curious as to what are the features in Entourage, as an email client, >>>> that makes it superior to Mail. >>> >>> Stability, easy-to-configure interface, ease of use -- especially the >>> excellent filters. And the intangibles -- over time, the realization >>> that Entourage simply provides a better user experience than Mail. >>> >>> Davoud >> >> I don't know what you've been using, but it doesn't sound at all like >> Entourage. Hell, take a gander at microsoft.public.mac.office.entourage a >> few times a day for a few days -- and if you have a few more days to spare, >> read the tons of "workarounds" on the Entourage "Help" Pages at >> http://www.entourage.mvps.org -- and what emerges is one problematic piece >> of software. > > Also, the monolithic database is a big negative if one uses TimeMachine > for backups. The problem can be mitigated somewhat by moving the > "MicroSoft User Data" folder to a sparsebundle image file. However > there is, as far as I know, no way to recover individual email messages > from a TimeMachine backup, as there is for Mail's organization. Currently, I exclude my Entourage Identity folder from TM; I also use an automator app that creates a backup of my Entourage Identity folder several times a day. The net result is that the "backup Identity folder" is what gets acted on by TM, but since it only changes per the schedule I've specified in that automaor app, it mitigates the problem of rapidly filling up my TM volume when very little change has actually occurred to my mailboxes. This "Rube Goldberg" setup is just one of those "workarounds" I mentioned previously. Of course, the tradeoff is that I don't capture every single "new" email I may have received since the last TM backup. But that's the price I have to pay to compensate for Entourage's asinine design. -- iMac (24", 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320 GB HDD) � OS X (10.5.8) |