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From: Nick Naym on 30 Oct 2009 19:04 In article C710B31F.47B6E2%bobhaar(a)me.com, Robert Haar at bobhaar(a)me.com wrote on 10/30/09 3:13 PM: > On 10/30/09 12:04 AM, "Nick Naym" <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > >>> The thing that deters me from switching from Entourage to Mail is that >>> Entourage is the best e-mail client that ever was for the Mac Full >>> stop. > >> >> You gotta be kidding me! >> >> The Good: It has lots of features that remind me of Outlook Express (which >> is what I was used to in OS 9). >> >> The Bad: This "OE on Steroids" program trips over its own feet and chokes on >> itself constantly, forcing repeated rebuilds...partly because, I suspect, >> everything is stored in one humongous database susceptible to routine >> complete crash-and-burns whenever one single byte (out of many gigabytes) >> becomes corrupted. > > I switched from Entourage to Mail for this reason. After I had to rebuild > the database three ties in one week, I was feed up. > > I am still using Entourage for Netnews. I have tried several newsreaders,but > don't like the interfaces of any of them. The filtering is pretty weak but I > like the three pane display (list of news groups on the side, list of > articles in the currently selected news group and the article preview. > > The one thing that I don't like about Mail is that it doesn't follow > standard quoting in display of messages with nested replies. Maybe there is > a preernce for this, but I haven't found it. > I haven't actually used Mail.app yet, so I don't have a feel for the message quoting format you're describing. Like you, however, I may simply move to Mail.app and keep using Entourage to access NGs, until I can fully figure out how to use MacSOUP. Have you checked out MacSOUP? IMO, It is by far the best as far as the way it displays the threads: It's a very, very "picture is worth a thousand words" visual layout. The entire tree of the thread for each message is displayed in an instantly understandable "map." Quite frankly, I can't imagine it being done any better. I'd be tempted to use it for email as well (it can do that), if it didn't lack a lot of email features we've come to expect (it's LONG overdue for an update/upgrade). -- iMac (24", 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320 GB HDD) � OS X (10.5.8)
From: Robert Haar on 30 Oct 2009 21:01 On 10/30/09 7:04 PM, "Nick Naym" <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > Have you checked out MacSOUP? IMO, It is by far the best as far as the way > it displays the threads: Yes, I looked at Macsoup a while back. At that time, it was supported only offline Usenet reading. Has that changed? The most recent version that I can find is dated 2007. That sounds like there is no on-going development.
From: Nick Naym on 30 Oct 2009 21:19 In article C71104BA.47B82D%bobhaar(a)me.com, Robert Haar at bobhaar(a)me.com wrote on 10/30/09 9:01 PM: > On 10/30/09 7:04 PM, "Nick Naym" <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > >> Have you checked out MacSOUP? IMO, It is by far the best as far as the way >> it displays the threads: > > Yes, I looked at Macsoup a while back. At that time, it was supported only > offline Usenet reading. Has that changed? Oh...ummm, nope. I guess I am in the minority of folks who still prefer offline readers. > The most recent version that I can > find is dated 2007. That sounds like there is no on-going development. > True. But then again, the Newsreader isn't exactly a killer-app category that attracts a lot of developer attention. -- iMac (24", 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 320 GB HDD) � OS X (10.5.8)
From: Tom Stiller on 31 Oct 2009 10:49 In article <C710E94F.49F43%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > In article C710B31F.47B6E2%bobhaar(a)me.com, Robert Haar at bobhaar(a)me.com > wrote on 10/30/09 3:13 PM: > > > On 10/30/09 12:04 AM, "Nick Naym" <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> The thing that deters me from switching from Entourage to Mail is that > >>> Entourage is the best e-mail client that ever was for the Mac Full > >>> stop. > > > >> > >> You gotta be kidding me! > >> > >> The Good: It has lots of features that remind me of Outlook Express (which > >> is what I was used to in OS 9). > >> > >> The Bad: This "OE on Steroids" program trips over its own feet and chokes > >> on > >> itself constantly, forcing repeated rebuilds...partly because, I suspect, > >> everything is stored in one humongous database susceptible to routine > >> complete crash-and-burns whenever one single byte (out of many gigabytes) > >> becomes corrupted. > > > > I switched from Entourage to Mail for this reason. After I had to rebuild > > the database three ties in one week, I was feed up. > > > > I am still using Entourage for Netnews. I have tried several > > newsreaders,but > > don't like the interfaces of any of them. The filtering is pretty weak but > > I > > like the three pane display (list of news groups on the side, list of > > articles in the currently selected news group and the article preview. > > > > The one thing that I don't like about Mail is that it doesn't follow > > standard quoting in display of messages with nested replies. Maybe there is > > a preernce for this, but I haven't found it. I'm not sure what you mean here. It's true that Mail uses a different representation for quoting, using different colored vertical bars (and optionally, text) to indicate the various levels quoting, it respects the ordinary conventions, for both in display and reply. > > > > I haven't actually used Mail.app yet, so I don't have a feel for the message > quoting format you're describing. Like you, however, I may simply move to > Mail.app and keep using Entourage to access NGs, until I can fully figure > out how to use MacSOUP. -- Tom Stiller PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF
From: Robert Haar on 31 Oct 2009 11:41
On 10/31/09 10:49 AM, "Tom Stiller" <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > In article <C710E94F.49F43%nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com>, > Nick Naym <nicknaym@[remove_this].gmail.com> wrote: > >> In article C710B31F.47B6E2%bobhaar(a)me.com, Robert Haar at bobhaar(a)me.com >> wrote on 10/30/09 3:13 PM: >>> The one thing that I don't like about Mail is that it doesn't follow >>> standard quoting in display of messages with nested replies. Maybe there is >>> a preernce for this, but I haven't found it. > > I'm not sure what you mean here. It's true that Mail uses a different > representation for quoting, using different colored vertical bars (and > optionally, text) to indicate the various levels quoting, it respects > the ordinary conventions, for both in display and reply. That's exactly what I am talking about. The normal convention is to put "> "in front of each lien the first time it is quoted and another ">" for embedded quotations. But Mail insists on showing vertical liens and color coding. Also, it does not understand the proper handling a signatures. -- This signature should be removed when quoting. |