Linux jobs outpacing Windows jobs
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From: smr on 3 Nov 2009 18:51 Matt wrote: > Ignoramus13931 wrote: >> On 2009-11-03, Matt <matt(a)themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote: >>> Ignoramus13931 wrote: >>>> As Windows jobs decline 8% from the beginning of the year, Linux >>>> postings grew 6%. >>>> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1373285,00.html >>>> >>>> >>>> What this essentially says, is that corporations are not nearly >>>> averse to Linux as various research studies seem to show. >>>> >>>> If you ask me, the writing is on the wall. >>>> >>>> I am much more optimistic about corporate Linux adoption, than >>>> adoption by clueless individual users. Corporations, at least, are >>>> receptive to the profit, cost and security motive. >>>> >>>> i >>> >>> I strongly agree with your last paragraph above. It generalizes to >>> any large organization, because they have the economies of scale to >>> learn to administer Linux efficiently and to finance the migration. >>> Best is schools, as there is little or no data to migrate. >> >> Economies of scale is where Linux shows its excellence, as you can >> automate most system related things in Linux in a straightforward >> manner. >> So you can have one Linux system admin who knows scripting, administer >> many more machines than a comparably intelligent Windows admin. >> >>> Advocate to the guy next to you for practice and support. >>> >>> If you want things to change, advocate to the guy who has the power >>> to change things. >> >> I think that what happens in corporations, such as some I have >> observed, that Linux appears and begins to metastacize, > > > It attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it > touches. > > When one organization adopts Linux (or about any technology for that > matter) the individuals in the organization become accustomed to it so > that when they go home for the day or move to a different organization, > they bring Linux with them. > > >> slowly at >> first and faster later. >> This is possibly a safer route to successful Linux migration than top >> to bottom pronoucements such as "move everything to Linx next month". > > > The metastasizing that you mention prepares the ground, to mix a couple > of metaphors. > > >> The downside is that the Microsoft tax is stil being paid this way, >> but I consider this minor. >> >> i It's always better to slowly shift people's perceptions of things - "this is something we've been using to do some jobs in the company" as opposed to "this is the new thing head office forced on us." But that first box is a difficult issue - somebody needs to administrate that single CUPS server.
From: Robert Heller on 3 Nov 2009 19:43 At Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:51:21 +0000 smr <stevie.rice(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > Matt wrote: > > Ignoramus13931 wrote: > >> On 2009-11-03, Matt <matt(a)themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote: > >>> Ignoramus13931 wrote: > >>>> As Windows jobs decline 8% from the beginning of the year, Linux > >>>> postings grew 6%. > >>>> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1373285,00.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> What this essentially says, is that corporations are not nearly > >>>> averse to Linux as various research studies seem to show. > >>>> > >>>> If you ask me, the writing is on the wall. > >>>> > >>>> I am much more optimistic about corporate Linux adoption, than > >>>> adoption by clueless individual users. Corporations, at least, are > >>>> receptive to the profit, cost and security motive. > >>>> > >>>> i > >>> > >>> I strongly agree with your last paragraph above. It generalizes to > >>> any large organization, because they have the economies of scale to > >>> learn to administer Linux efficiently and to finance the migration. > >>> Best is schools, as there is little or no data to migrate. > >> > >> Economies of scale is where Linux shows its excellence, as you can > >> automate most system related things in Linux in a straightforward > >> manner. > >> So you can have one Linux system admin who knows scripting, administer > >> many more machines than a comparably intelligent Windows admin. > >> > >>> Advocate to the guy next to you for practice and support. > >>> > >>> If you want things to change, advocate to the guy who has the power > >>> to change things. > >> > >> I think that what happens in corporations, such as some I have > >> observed, that Linux appears and begins to metastacize, > > > > > > It attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it > > touches. > > > > When one organization adopts Linux (or about any technology for that > > matter) the individuals in the organization become accustomed to it so > > that when they go home for the day or move to a different organization, > > they bring Linux with them. > > > > > >> slowly at > >> first and faster later. > >> This is possibly a safer route to successful Linux migration than top > >> to bottom pronoucements such as "move everything to Linx next month". > > > > > > The metastasizing that you mention prepares the ground, to mix a couple > > of metaphors. > > > > > >> The downside is that the Microsoft tax is stil being paid this way, > >> but I consider this minor. > >> > >> i > > It's always better to slowly shift people's perceptions of things - > "this is something we've been using to do some jobs in the company" as > opposed to "this is the new thing head office forced on us." But that > first box is a difficult issue - somebody needs to administrate that > single CUPS server. Which brings us full circle: Linux jobs outpacing Windows jobs. Somebody is hiring *new* Linux Admins and NOT hiring new Windows Admins... > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Download the Model Railroad System http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Binaries for Linux and MS-Windows heller(a)deepsoft.com -- http://www.deepsoft.com/ModelRailroadSystem/
From: smr on 3 Nov 2009 20:24 Robert Heller wrote: > At Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:51:21 +0000 smr <stevie.rice(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Matt wrote: >>> Ignoramus13931 wrote: >>>> On 2009-11-03, Matt <matt(a)themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote: >>>>> Ignoramus13931 wrote: >>>>>> As Windows jobs decline 8% from the beginning of the year, Linux >>>>>> postings grew 6%. >>>>>> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1373285,00.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What this essentially says, is that corporations are not nearly >>>>>> averse to Linux as various research studies seem to show. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you ask me, the writing is on the wall. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am much more optimistic about corporate Linux adoption, than >>>>>> adoption by clueless individual users. Corporations, at least, are >>>>>> receptive to the profit, cost and security motive. >>>>>> >>>>>> i >>>>> I strongly agree with your last paragraph above. It generalizes to >>>>> any large organization, because they have the economies of scale to >>>>> learn to administer Linux efficiently and to finance the migration. >>>>> Best is schools, as there is little or no data to migrate. >>>> Economies of scale is where Linux shows its excellence, as you can >>>> automate most system related things in Linux in a straightforward >>>> manner. >>>> So you can have one Linux system admin who knows scripting, administer >>>> many more machines than a comparably intelligent Windows admin. >>>> >>>>> Advocate to the guy next to you for practice and support. >>>>> >>>>> If you want things to change, advocate to the guy who has the power >>>>> to change things. >>>> I think that what happens in corporations, such as some I have >>>> observed, that Linux appears and begins to metastacize, >>> >>> It attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it >>> touches. >>> >>> When one organization adopts Linux (or about any technology for that >>> matter) the individuals in the organization become accustomed to it so >>> that when they go home for the day or move to a different organization, >>> they bring Linux with them. >>> >>> >>>> slowly at >>>> first and faster later. >>>> This is possibly a safer route to successful Linux migration than top >>>> to bottom pronoucements such as "move everything to Linx next month". >>> >>> The metastasizing that you mention prepares the ground, to mix a couple >>> of metaphors. >>> >>> >>>> The downside is that the Microsoft tax is stil being paid this way, >>>> but I consider this minor. >>>> >>>> i >> It's always better to slowly shift people's perceptions of things - >> "this is something we've been using to do some jobs in the company" as >> opposed to "this is the new thing head office forced on us." But that >> first box is a difficult issue - somebody needs to administrate that >> single CUPS server. > > Which brings us full circle: Linux jobs outpacing Windows jobs. Somebody > is hiring *new* Linux Admins and NOT hiring new Windows Admins... My post doesn't go quite full circle, my point is that companies that gradually adopt into Linux need to start with a single installation - "that first box". Eventually this leads to companies with a huge installed base of Linux that really like it but initially it's lots of machines running some other operating system and one running Linux. I would*n't* say that they would hire a new Linux admin at *that* point, I think that's something the existing staff would handle. I'm saying that at that point the existing staff need to administrate all of the systems they had before as well as this new box that runs an entirely new system - so what you're left with is relying on the current staff to learn to professionally administrate a new operating system for a single machine while doing their normal jobs at the same time. I'm saying that's off putting to administrators. It's great once you start moving lots of machines over to Linux and you can set up scripts that handle lots of machines at once and that's where it really shines but it's dealing with the hassle of the test machine that's a stumbling block.
From: Ignoramus23290 on 3 Nov 2009 22:00 On 2009-11-04, smr <stevie.rice(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > My post doesn't go quite full circle, my point is that companies that > gradually adopt into Linux need to start with a single installation - > "that first box". Eventually this leads to companies with a huge > installed base of Linux that really like it but initially it's lots of > machines running some other operating system and one running Linux. And what really helps is if there is someone at that company, who knows Linux and wants to make it work. i
From: John Fuhrer on 3 Nov 2009 22:13
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:00:42 -0600, Ignoramus23290 wrote: > On 2009-11-04, smr <stevie.rice(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> My post doesn't go quite full circle, my point is that companies that >> gradually adopt into Linux need to start with a single installation - >> "that first box". Eventually this leads to companies with a huge >> installed base of Linux that really like it but initially it's lots of >> machines running some other operating system and one running Linux. > > And what really helps is if there is someone at that company, who > knows Linux and wants to make it work. > > i It helps if they are on the management side of the shop. The tech side has little influence and in management's eyes are "replaceable". |