From: JEDIDIAH on
On 2009-11-05, Köhlmann is aka 'Petey Toro' OLAY! <OLAY(a)49OLAYr.com> wrote:
>
>
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
><snipped>
><yawn>
>
> Big mouth JEDIDIAH, you are a dumb home user that knows nothing about
> how corporations work. And you know nothing about how IT works either.

blah blah blah...

[nonsense removed]


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From: William Poaster on
Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, JEDIDIAH was heard to say:

> On 2009-11-05, K�hlmann is aka 'Petey Toro' OLAY! <OLAY(a)49OLAYr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>><snipped>
>><yawn>
>>
>> Big mouth JEDIDIAH, you are a dumb home user that knows nothing about
>> how corporations work. And you know nothing about how IT works either.
>
> blah blah blah...
>
> [nonsense removed]

The stupid Duh-Inane Arnold troll still drooling, is it. It should go back
onto its lead & laudnum meds.

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From: Wanna-Be Sys Admin on
Ignoramus13931 wrote:

> As Windows jobs decline 8% from the beginning of the year, Linux
> postings grew 6%.
>
>
http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1373285,00.html
>
> What this essentially says, is that corporations are not nearly
> averse to Linux as various research studies seem to show.
>
> If you ask me, the writing is on the wall.
>
> I am much more optimistic about corporate Linux adoption, than
> adoption by clueless individual users. Corporations, at least, are
> receptive to the profit, cost and security motive.
>
> i

I suppose it depends on the job and how many people work there and what
they need to do. A small company usually has the attitude of "use
whatever you want, as long as it works", and care less about security
and stability, etc., than they do that things just do what they are
supposed to. If you and maybe a few others suggest Linux, you'll
usually get it. If you have a lot of people using Windows, they
probably won't change any time soon. Then again, even in a building
with hundreds of workers, usually people are just using high level
applications and never do anything on the OS level or anything serious
anyway, so as long as you can offer whatever solution and people can
open their workstation and do the job (entering data, or whatever),
then you might be able to make the change, if they don't get too
paranoid.
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From: TJ on
Wanna-Be Sys Admin wrote:
> Ignoramus13931 wrote:
>
>> As Windows jobs decline 8% from the beginning of the year, Linux
>> postings grew 6%.
>>
>>
> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1373285,00.html
>> What this essentially says, is that corporations are not nearly
>> averse to Linux as various research studies seem to show.
>>
>> If you ask me, the writing is on the wall.
>>
>> I am much more optimistic about corporate Linux adoption, than
>> adoption by clueless individual users. Corporations, at least, are
>> receptive to the profit, cost and security motive.
>>
>> i
>
> I suppose it depends on the job and how many people work there and what
> they need to do. A small company usually has the attitude of "use
> whatever you want, as long as it works", and care less about security
> and stability, etc., than they do that things just do what they are
> supposed to. If you and maybe a few others suggest Linux, you'll
> usually get it. If you have a lot of people using Windows, they
> probably won't change any time soon. Then again, even in a building
> with hundreds of workers, usually people are just using high level
> applications and never do anything on the OS level or anything serious
> anyway, so as long as you can offer whatever solution and people can
> open their workstation and do the job (entering data, or whatever),
> then you might be able to make the change, if they don't get too
> paranoid.


All this jobs talk makes me even happier to be self-employed. After all,
I'm the *last* person I'm going to fire. As the smallest company size
possible, I agree that I get to use whatever I want, without fear of
losing my job over it.

But there are consequences to choosing badly - the whole business could
go down, taking me with it. Thus, even though I'm a "clueless individual
user," I'm highly "receptive to the profit, cost, and security motive"
when making my choices.

In fact, in my particular case, I don't use one OS to the complete
exclusion of another. I have an old, no longer supported version of
Windows available for those few times when it does what I need done more
easily than Linux (like when it's simply easier to use the old software
that I know versus learning new stuff I would use infrequently), and I
have an up-to-date version of Linux that I use over 98% of the time.
When the time comes that those choices no longer work, I will make new ones.

But the really nice thing about it is, *I* get to make the choices,
because I'm a "clueless individual user." <gloat, gloat>

TJ

From: John Fuhrer on
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:17:57 -0500, TJ wrote:

> Wanna-Be Sys Admin wrote:
>> Ignoramus13931 wrote:
>>
>>> As Windows jobs decline 8% from the beginning of the year, Linux
>>> postings grew 6%.
>>>
>>>
>> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1373285,00.html
>>> What this essentially says, is that corporations are not nearly
>>> averse to Linux as various research studies seem to show.
>>>
>>> If you ask me, the writing is on the wall.
>>>
>>> I am much more optimistic about corporate Linux adoption, than
>>> adoption by clueless individual users. Corporations, at least, are
>>> receptive to the profit, cost and security motive.
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> I suppose it depends on the job and how many people work there and what
>> they need to do. A small company usually has the attitude of "use
>> whatever you want, as long as it works", and care less about security
>> and stability, etc., than they do that things just do what they are
>> supposed to. If you and maybe a few others suggest Linux, you'll
>> usually get it. If you have a lot of people using Windows, they
>> probably won't change any time soon. Then again, even in a building
>> with hundreds of workers, usually people are just using high level
>> applications and never do anything on the OS level or anything serious
>> anyway, so as long as you can offer whatever solution and people can
>> open their workstation and do the job (entering data, or whatever),
>> then you might be able to make the change, if they don't get too
>> paranoid.
>
>
> All this jobs talk makes me even happier to be self-employed. After all,
> I'm the *last* person I'm going to fire. As the smallest company size
> possible, I agree that I get to use whatever I want, without fear of
> losing my job over it.

Smart person!

You will rarely get anywhere working for someone else.
Make your own decisions, bad or good, stick by them, learn as you go along
and invest your profits wisely and assuming you know what you are doing and
are honest, you will go far.



> But there are consequences to choosing badly - the whole business could
> go down, taking me with it. Thus, even though I'm a "clueless individual
> user," I'm highly "receptive to the profit, cost, and security motive"
> when making my choices.
>
> In fact, in my particular case, I don't use one OS to the complete
> exclusion of another. I have an old, no longer supported version of
> Windows available for those few times when it does what I need done more
> easily than Linux (like when it's simply easier to use the old software
> that I know versus learning new stuff I would use infrequently), and I
> have an up-to-date version of Linux that I use over 98% of the time.
> When the time comes that those choices no longer work, I will make new ones.
>
> But the really nice thing about it is, *I* get to make the choices,
> because I'm a "clueless individual user." <gloat, gloat>
>
> TJ

You sounds like you are on the right track.
Best of luck!

One last thing, knowledge = money.
Be it Linux, Windows or OSX.
The more you know, the more you are worth either to yourself or to someone
else.