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From: "Marc G. Fournier" on 12 May 2010 20:04 On Wed, 12 May 2010, Greg Stark wrote: > I'm thinking I'll move -general (and the useless -novice) to another > folder. But I'm left wondering what to do with -admin and -performance. > They're a random mix of user content and developer content. I'll > probably move them along with -general but that means I won't be likely > to see any development discussion on them in the future There shouldn't be any dev discussions on them as it is ... that isn't their mandate ... those are/were meant to be end-user lists, not developer ones ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scrappy(a)hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scrappy(a)hub.org -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers(a)postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
From: Magnus Hagander on 13 May 2010 06:18 On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(a)hub.org> wrote: > On Wed, 12 May 2010, Greg Stark wrote: > >> I'm thinking I'll move -general (and the useless -novice) to another folder. But I'm left wondering what to do with -admin and -performance. They're a random mix of user content and developer content. I'll probably move them along with -general but that means I won't be likely to see any development discussion on them in the future > > There shouldn't be any dev discussions on them as it is ... that isn't their mandate ... those are/were meant to be end-user lists, not developer ones ... We know from experience that doesn't work. People just end up crossposting, because they're not sure people are on both lists. And then you want to move a discussion, which just means you have to CC in both lists, leading to even more duplication. If there was a clear distinction between end-user and dev it might make sense. That how commercial software companies tend to work - don't let devs talk to end users. That's not how we work. Forcing people to look in different places just throws hurdles in front of those trying to help out. -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers(a)postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
From: "Marc G. Fournier" on 13 May 2010 09:27 On Thu, 13 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(a)hub.org> wrote: >> On Wed, 12 May 2010, Greg Stark wrote: >> >>> I'm thinking I'll move -general (and the useless -novice) to another folder. But I'm left wondering what to do with -admin and -performance. They're a random mix of user content and developer content. I'll probably move them along with -general but that means I won't be likely to see any development discussion on them in the future >> >> There shouldn't be any dev discussions on them as it is ... that isn't their mandate ... those are/were meant to be end-user lists, not developer ones ... > > We know from experience that doesn't work. People just end up > crossposting, because they're not sure people are on both lists. And > then you want to move a discussion, which just means you have to CC in > both lists, leading to even more duplication. > > If there was a clear distinction between end-user and dev it might > make sense. That how commercial software companies tend to work - > don't let devs talk to end users. That's not how we work. Forcing > people to look in different places just throws hurdles in front of > those trying to help out. What *are* you talking about? This doesn't seem to have anything related to what I said :) All I was saying was that -performance and -admin are not development discusion lists, not that developers aren't subscribed / talking on them .... that doesn't make them any less end-user lists ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scrappy(a)hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scrappy(a)hub.org -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers(a)postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
From: Magnus Hagander on 13 May 2010 09:44 On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(a)hub.org> wrote: > On Thu, 13 May 2010, Magnus Hagander wrote: > >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy(a)hub.org> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 12 May 2010, Greg Stark wrote: >>> >>>> I'm thinking I'll move -general (and the useless -novice) to another folder. But I'm left wondering what to do with -admin and -performance. They're a random mix of user content and developer content. I'll probably move them along with -general but that means I won't be likely to see any development discussion on them in the future >>> >>> There shouldn't be any dev discussions on them as it is ... that isn't their mandate ... those are/were meant to be end-user lists, not developer ones ... >> >> We know from experience that doesn't work. People just end up >> crossposting, because they're not sure people are on both lists. And >> then you want to move a discussion, which just means you have to CC in >> both lists, leading to even more duplication. >> >> If there was a clear distinction between end-user and dev it might >> make sense. That how commercial software companies tend to work - >> don't let devs talk to end users. That's not how we work. Forcing >> people to look in different places just throws hurdles in front of >> those trying to help out. > > What *are* you talking about? This doesn't seem to have anything related to what I said :) > > All I was saying was that -performance and -admin are not development discusion lists, not that developers aren't subscribed / talking on them ... that doesn't make them any less end-user lists ... Yes, and I'm saying there is no real difference between end-user, development, admin and performance. The amount of crossover is so large the distinction rapidly becomes pointless. -- Magnus Hagander Me: http://www.hagander.net/ Work: http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers(a)postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
From: damien clochard on 13 May 2010 09:00
Le 11/05/2010 19:24, Alvaro Herrera a écrit : > Excerpts from Marc G. Fournier's message of mar may 11 09:58:34 -0400 2010: > >> If list traffic, especially on -hackers, is getting so large, should we >> look at maybe splitting it? I could easily enough split things such that >> I duplicate the subscriber list, so nobody would have to subscribe, but it >> would make it easier for ppl to filter their incoming ... ? > > Maybe we could create a separate list where people would send patches, > and keep patchless discussion on -hackers? > > Just a thought ;-) Here's a simple description of how i use and see the -hackers list. I'm what you could call a "silent reader", like many other subscribers i don't participate to the discussions but i'm happy to be able to follow them. I'm not an end-user and i'm not a developper. Just a guy that wants to follow the "making-of" this project. Sure the traffic is huge and sometimes i have thousands of unread messages. But somewhat i managed to follow the threads i'm interested in and leave asides others... If this list is split in two smaller ones, then i guess i'll follow both and it won't help me in any way. I guess it would even make things more difficult to understand. This is my modest experience. Clearly things can be improved, but speaking for myself i don't think that splitting the list is a good idea. -- damien clochard http://www.dalibo.com -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers(a)postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers |