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From: "Kevin Grittner" on 14 May 2010 12:20 Tom Lane <tgl(a)sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > I can't imagine that there's not going to need to be a "catchall" > list for problems that don't fit into any of the subcategories. > > More generally, we already have most of the lists that you > suggest, and we already know that people frequently don't find the > most appropriate list for postings. I don't think getting rid of > -general would help that in the least. The way to cut down on > misposted traffic is to make the set of categories smaller and > simpler, not to redouble our efforts to persuade people to use the > same or even more categories. Well, redoubling our current efforts to direct people to more specific lists would accomplish nothing, since doubling zero leaves you with zero. The description of -general includes: | General discussion area for users. Apart from compile, acceptance | test, and bug problems, most new users will probably only be | interested in this mailing list Given that, the fact that -admin, -novice, -sql, and -performance collectively get as many posts as -general suggests that people are, in fact, making some effort to find a list which seems a good fit. Perhaps if the description of -general was changed to suggest it *was* a catch-all for posts which don't fit the other lists, things would improve. -Kevin -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers(a)postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
From: Josh Berkus on 14 May 2010 12:51 >> There is no reason why advocacy can't happen on general. Theoretically >> www could be on hackers (although I do see the point of a separate >> list). First off, this is absolutely the wrong list to be discussing management of PostgreSQL lists. That belongs on pgsql-www. And, I'll point out, that this completely pointless discussion on the wrong list has been 1/6 of the traffic on -hackers for the last two days. Also, I really don't see what problem people think they're addressing with these bimonthly calls for list consolidation. It seems like a solution in search of a problem. So it's an exercise in ironic wankitude. Can we please stop it now? Second, regarding advocacy: no, absolutely not. -advocacy is a working list and not a virtual water cooler. -- -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Experts Inc. http://www.pgexperts.com -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers(a)postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
From: Yeb Havinga on 14 May 2010 13:09 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 2010, Yeb Havinga wrote: > >> Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> On Thu, 13 May 2010, Alvaro Herrera wrote: >>> >>>> Excerpts from Yeb Havinga's message of jue may 13 15:06:53 -0400 2010: >>>> >>>>> My $0.02 - I like the whole 'don't sort, search' (or how did they >>>>> call >>>>> it?) just let the inbox fill up, google is fast enough. What would be >>>>> really interesting is to have some extra 'tags/headers' added to the >>>>> emails (document classification with e.g. self organizing >>>>> map/kohonen), >>>>> so my local filters could make labels based on that, instead of >>>>> perhaps >>>>> badly spelled keywords in subjects or message body. >>> >>> I missed this when I read it the first time .. all list email does >>> have an X-Mailing-List header added so that you can label based on >>> list itself ... is that what you mean, or are you thinking of >>> something else entirely? >> Something else: if automatic classification of articles was in place, >> there would be need of fewer mailing lists, depending on the quality >> of the classification. > > You've mentinoed this serveral time, but what *is* "autoclassication > of articles"? or is this something you do on the gmail side of things? I ment classification in the sense of automated as apposed to manual classification by author or subscriber, in the general sense, not linked to any mail client or server. Example: junk mail detection by mail client. After sending my previous mail this morning I looked a bit more into (the faq of) carrot2, which links to LingPipe as a solution for people that like pre-defined classes. LingPipe in fact has a tutorial where they classify a dataset of newsgroups articles, see e.g. http://alias-i.com/lingpipe/demos/tutorial/classify/read-me.html. I suppose it would be interesting to see what could be done with the pg archives. If the archive database itself is publically available, or could be made available I'd be willing to put some time into this (solely on the bases that I'm interested in the outcome, not that I pursue that it'd be used by the pg project, though that'd ofcourse be cool if it turned out that way in the end) regards, Yeb Havinga -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers(a)postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
From: "Marc G. Fournier" on 14 May 2010 13:42 On Fri, 14 May 2010, Kevin Grittner wrote: > Well, redoubling our current efforts to direct people to more > specific lists would accomplish nothing, since doubling zero leaves > you with zero. The description of -general includes: Agreed ... > Given that, the fact that -admin, -novice, -sql, and -performance > collectively get as many posts as -general suggests that people are, in > fact, making some effort to find a list which seems a good fit. Perhaps > if the description of -general was changed to suggest it *was* a > catch-all for posts which don't fit the other lists, things would > improve. Can you offer improvd / stronger wording on this ... ? Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scrappy(a)hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scrappy(a)hub.org -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers(a)postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers
From: "Marc G. Fournier" on 14 May 2010 15:10
On Fri, 14 May 2010, Josh Berkus wrote: > First off, this is absolutely the wrong list to be discussing management of > PostgreSQL lists. That belongs on pgsql-www. Actually, this is as good a list as any ... -www is for WWW related issues, not mailing list ... be as inappropriate there as it would be on sysadmins, which also doesn't cover mailing lists ... > Second, regarding advocacy: no, absolutely not. -advocacy is a working list > and not a virtual water cooler. BTW, and even I totally forgot about it, but we do have a virtual water cooler already: pgsql-chat ... 224 subscribers currently, just nobody uses it ... In fact, I just removed / changed to BCC -hackers so that all further discussions on this part of the thread will be on -chat ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scrappy(a)hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ:7615664 MSN:scrappy(a)hub.org -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list (pgsql-hackers(a)postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-hackers |