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From: Tom Serface on 22 Feb 2010 12:53 I think a lot of the C++ is on other, I.E., non-Windows, platforms and outside of the US. If I remember right Java was the #1 language in the US which was a little disturbing. Another thing we can mention (I asked specifically) is that Microsoft showed a huge renewed interest in reviving and enhancing support for native Windows programming. We asked about whether native and MFC were dead and got a definite "No" from every Microsoft person in the room. They said quite the contrary. I'm not sure what that means for the long run, but I think it means our investment in C++ as a skill will be useful for a long time to come and that was good news. Tom "Joseph M. Newcomer" <newcomer(a)flounder.com> wrote in message news:c215o55kjhu4pec7sa5ugfk48u01oetg7a(a)4ax.com... > According to the industry data, a lot of them are designers of embedded > systems. > joe >
From: Tom Serface on 22 Feb 2010 12:55 I heard that a lot of this was device driver level stuff as well, but that for people using Visual C++ a really high percentage of them use MFC still. I think some of those are still on VC6, but the new 2010 Class Wizard should entice a few to upgrade. It is pretty great from what I've seen in the release candidate. Tom "David Lowndes" <DavidL(a)example.invalid> wrote in message news:5a25o5t2tgvld7ktd0uq5e2r7o48c0u54u(a)4ax.com... >>According to the industry data, a lot of them are designers of embedded >>systems. > > Having come from that direction myself, I'm not surprised to hear > that. > > Dave
From: Tom Serface on 22 Feb 2010 12:58 I think the .NET demographic is growing quickly though. Visual C++ had around 10 years of established code base before .NET even came on the scene. I think the C++ overall numbers have convinced Microsoft that they just can't make it go away :o) I'd be more scared to invest in learning much VB at this point. Not that it's going away or anything, but whenever I hear someone say ".NET" they usually mean C# so I suspect that will continue to be the most growing syntax. Of course, C++/CLI and VB and all the other #'s get the benefit of ..NET improvements. Tom "Joseph M. Newcomer" <newcomer(a)flounder.com> wrote in message news:t0a5o5h920208op8ups94o6qv36sv4j09p(a)4ax.com... > There are more VC++ developers than VB or C#. Again, unclassified > industry data. > (Actually, this surprised me, because about ten years ago, the balance was > quite > different). But native code is not only not going away, it remains > strong. > > [As I said before, I specifically asked permission to quote this data, > since otherwise > everything we learned at the Summit is NDA] > joe > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:40:29 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme > <steve(a)tropheus.demon.co.uk> > wrote:
From: Tom Serface on 22 Feb 2010 12:59 That may be true for "new" programming of GUI applications. The numbers we saw were more universally encompassing. C++ is still a popular language, but there was a breakdown as to whether that was because of maintenance, or new projects. Tom "Ajay Kalra" <ajaykalra(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ba5a3f4f-f7dc-4d73-9cc0-b3c36fbd58ce(a)t11g2000vbc.googlegroups.com... > That doesnt sound right. I believe VB developers easily surpassed C++ > 10 years ago. I would be surprised if thats not the case with C# > today. Where I work now (and for last 5+ years), we have gone from > 100% C++ to less than 30% C++. GUI is completely out of C++ and has > been for many years. > > -- > Ajay > > >
From: Tom Serface on 22 Feb 2010 13:01
Yes, although a lot of those devices (like Blu-ray players) also use Java. I think there is a hot competition for embedded devices and that is where a lot of emphasis is being focused. Although, some of them are also using .NET compact framework which has a lot of value. Tom "RFOG" <no(a)mail.com> wrote in message news:op.u8jdzeq42upo6d(a)red-mars... > But you need to think that 99,9% of actual devices have a processor and it > is done in C or C++. Think in washing machines, parkings, medical > machines, tv, video, players... practically all modern gadgets and > electrical appliances have at leas one processor into them, and those > processors cannot be programmed in .NET or other non C languages. > > PS: Congrats, Joseph and Mike! |