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From: Tom Serface on 22 Feb 2010 13:02 I don't remember the names of the survey organizations, but they were outside of Microsoft and I think pretty unbiased. The good news was C++ was still on all of the top 5 charts somewhere. Tom "David Lowndes" <DavidL(a)example.invalid> wrote in message news:qpc5o5ddp1e15qofln7gdivdum803qrjsa(a)4ax.com... >>That doesnt sound right. I believe VB developers easily surpassed C++ >>10 years ago. I would be surprised if thats not the case with C# >>today. Where I work now (and for last 5+ years), we have gone from >>100% C++ to less than 30% C++. GUI is completely out of C++ and has >>been for many years. > > It surely all depends where these magic figures are coming from :) > > Dave
From: Bo Persson on 22 Feb 2010 13:07 Cholo Lennon wrote: > Cholo Lennon wrote: >> Ajay Kalra wrote: >>> On Feb 22, 10:54 am, Joseph M. Newcomer <newco...(a)flounder.com> >>> wrote: >>>> There are more VC++ developers than VB or C#. Again, >>>> unclassified industry data. >>>> (Actually, this surprised me, because about ten years ago, the >>>> balance was quite >>>> different). >>> >>> That doesnt sound right. I believe VB developers easily surpassed >>> C++ 10 years ago. I would be surprised if thats not the case with >>> C# today. Where I work now (and for last 5+ years), we have gone >>> from 100% C++ to less than 30% C++. GUI is completely out of C++ >>> and has been for many years. >>> >>> -- >>> Ajay >>> >>> >>> >> >> Well, this index doesn't represent the absolute truth, but you can >> get an idea about the popularity of programming languages: >> >> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html >> > >> Acording to this index (9 years old), VB was never as popular as >> C++ (besides other variables, IMHO popularity is thightly coupled >> to the number of developers) >> > > My mistake, according to this index, at least in 1985 (?) Vb was > more popular than C++ > This "most popular" means most talked about, not the most used. For example, I also use Cobol (position 26, 0.437%) to support a code base of millions of lines of proprietary code. We don't have a lot of forums discussing this, so it is not "popular" anymore. No marketing either. Some of the other languages are "more popular" because they have a large marketing organization promoting the traffic that Tiobe measures. Bo Persson
From: Tom Serface on 22 Feb 2010 13:17 Probably why they were encouraged to create this: http://www.c-sharpcorner.com/UploadFile/nrsurapaneni/4MSNET12052005053040AM/4MSNET.aspx I'm pretty sure I'd never use it since C# is so much easier, but it's only syntax. Tom "Bo Persson" <bop(a)gmb.dk> wrote in message news:7ufvduF42dU1(a)mid.individual.net... > Cholo Lennon wrote: >> Cholo Lennon wrote: >>> Ajay Kalra wrote: >>>> On Feb 22, 10:54 am, Joseph M. Newcomer <newco...(a)flounder.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> There are more VC++ developers than VB or C#. Again, >>>>> unclassified industry data. >>>>> (Actually, this surprised me, because about ten years ago, the >>>>> balance was quite >>>>> different). >>>> >>>> That doesnt sound right. I believe VB developers easily surpassed >>>> C++ 10 years ago. I would be surprised if thats not the case with >>>> C# today. Where I work now (and for last 5+ years), we have gone >>>> from 100% C++ to less than 30% C++. GUI is completely out of C++ >>>> and has been for many years. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ajay >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Well, this index doesn't represent the absolute truth, but you can >>> get an idea about the popularity of programming languages: >>> >>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html >>> >> >>> Acording to this index (9 years old), VB was never as popular as >>> C++ (besides other variables, IMHO popularity is thightly coupled >>> to the number of developers) >>> >> >> My mistake, according to this index, at least in 1985 (?) Vb was >> more popular than C++ >> > > This "most popular" means most talked about, not the most used. > > For example, I also use Cobol (position 26, 0.437%) to support a code base > of millions of lines of proprietary code. We don't have a lot of forums > discussing this, so it is not "popular" anymore. No marketing either. > > > Some of the other languages are "more popular" because they have a large > marketing organization promoting the traffic that Tiobe measures. > > > Bo Persson > >
From: Bo Persson on 22 Feb 2010 13:30 Tom Serface wrote: > Probably why they were encouraged to create this: > > http://www.c-sharpcorner.com/UploadFile/nrsurapaneni/4MSNET12052005053040AM/4MSNET.aspx > > I'm pretty sure I'd never use it since C# is so much easier, but > it's only syntax. > > Tom Some code will never run on .NET anyway, because it needs a couple of these as well :-) http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/hardware/index.html Bo Persson > > "Bo Persson" <bop(a)gmb.dk> wrote in message > news:7ufvduF42dU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> Cholo Lennon wrote: >>> Cholo Lennon wrote: >>>> Ajay Kalra wrote: >>>>> On Feb 22, 10:54 am, Joseph M. Newcomer <newco...(a)flounder.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> There are more VC++ developers than VB or C#. Again, >>>>>> unclassified industry data. >>>>>> (Actually, this surprised me, because about ten years ago, the >>>>>> balance was quite >>>>>> different). >>>>> >>>>> That doesnt sound right. I believe VB developers easily >>>>> surpassed C++ 10 years ago. I would be surprised if thats not >>>>> the case with C# today. Where I work now (and for last 5+ >>>>> years), we have gone from 100% C++ to less than 30% C++. GUI is >>>>> completely out of C++ and has been for many years. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ajay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Well, this index doesn't represent the absolute truth, but you >>>> can get an idea about the popularity of programming languages: >>>> >>>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html >>>> >>> >>>> Acording to this index (9 years old), VB was never as popular as >>>> C++ (besides other variables, IMHO popularity is thightly coupled >>>> to the number of developers) >>>> >>> >>> My mistake, according to this index, at least in 1985 (?) Vb was >>> more popular than C++ >>> >> >> This "most popular" means most talked about, not the most used. >> >> For example, I also use Cobol (position 26, 0.437%) to support a >> code base of millions of lines of proprietary code. We don't have >> a lot of forums discussing this, so it is not "popular" anymore. >> No marketing either. Some of the other languages are "more popular" >> because they have a >> large marketing organization promoting the traffic that Tiobe >> measures. Bo Persson
From: James Juno on 22 Feb 2010 13:33
Agreed. Standard-faire whenever an optimized, task-specific and elegant solution such as a desktop news reader is retrofitted into an internet browser. -JJ "Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote... > Ajay Kalra wrote: > >>Joseph M. Newcomer wrote: >>> Actually, it is because Microsoft is actively discouraging the >>> newsgroups and wants >>> everyone to move to the forums. >> >>I must have been under a rock; what are these forums? I thought this >>newsgroup is one of the "forums". > > Most of the Microsoft forums are listed at > http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/categories > > I find the change to web forums is a pain in the neck because > navigation is tedious. |