Memory Question
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From: Esteban on 16 Dec 2006 10:42 "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews(a)mvps.org> wrote in message news:OU4d9xcHHHA.3872(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > It depends on what you're doing with the machine. If you ever deal with > large images, or editing images of any size, or video or sound > editing/playback, then the more RAM you have, the better. > > The standard way to judge whether you need more RAM is to use System > Monitor's "Swap file in use" monitoring. System Monitor is a System Tool > and usually needs to be installed via Add/Remove Programs => Windows > Components tab. If "swap file in use" consistently or even just often > measures more than 10 - 20 MB, then you could make good use of more RAM. > Make sure to give your system a good workout while monitoring, leaving > stuff open while you try other things, playiing a video or listening to > quality music while scrolling through a folder full of images, or editing > images with something like IrfanView, creating an album of photos, etc. > > Still, at $19 a pop, I'd go ahead and fill that baby up. Note that Win98 > can make decent use of RAM totalling up to 1 GB. That's the max. However, > some tweaks are required for using more than 512 MB. At or under 512 MB, > the only limiting factor is the hardware, and don't trust the hardware's > specs to match reality. Just becasue it *says* it can handle 768 MB > doesn't make it so. > > -- > > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm > http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm Hi folks, I have really enjoyed reading this thread...thanks. I have a question I would like to throw out for all you folks. My OS is 98 SE, when I open SYSTEMS MONITOR it only shows KERNEL usage. How do I get to SWAP FILE IN USE? Thanks, Steve
From: Daave on 16 Dec 2006 11:26 MEB wrote: > Ah, if you plan on doing the eventual processor upgrade make > absolutely certain the memory can handle 100mhz FSB also. > Preferably at CAS 2. The memory I located does indeed have a CAS Latency of 2: http://www.comtread.com/12pcsdram1611.html But how in the world do I determine what CL I have now? Is there any software that can tell me? I even took out the RAM and jotted down everything that was printed on it: SY56864V A1 296727 A102 PC100 S-DR PC128 SIT There are 16 Infineon chips on the stick: HYB39564800BT-8 Taiwan B E13012 9952 1 84 94 V-O Googling, the closest I came up with was: http://www.computertradingpost.com/archives/CTP_Archive_282.htm MICRON TECHNOLOGIES SY56864V-A1 128MB PC133 CL3 168P MICRON MEM SUPER PC TCG, Inc. CL=3, but note that it is PC133. What do *I* have?! -- Dave
From: Gary S. Terhune on 16 Dec 2006 11:42 This will tell you that info and a whole lot more (look at Bnchmark section): Everest Home Edition 2.20 http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html Note that Lavalys, makers of Everest, have ceased to distribute this version for free. You can only get it at shareware sites (perfectly legal and legit.) -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Roll Your Own Free Security Suite" http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite Daave wrote: > MEB wrote: >> Ah, if you plan on doing the eventual processor upgrade make >> absolutely certain the memory can handle 100mhz FSB also. >> Preferably at CAS 2. > > The memory I located does indeed have a CAS Latency of 2: > > http://www.comtread.com/12pcsdram1611.html > > But how in the world do I determine what CL I have now? Is there any > software that can tell me? I even took out the RAM and jotted down > everything that was printed on it: > > SY56864V A1 > 296727 > A102 PC100 > S-DR PC128 SIT > > There are 16 Infineon chips on the stick: > HYB39564800BT-8 > Taiwan B E13012 > 9952 > > 1 84 > 94 V-O > > Googling, the closest I came up with was: > > http://www.computertradingpost.com/archives/CTP_Archive_282.htm > > MICRON TECHNOLOGIES SY56864V-A1 128MB PC133 CL3 168P MICRON MEM SUPER > PC TCG, Inc. > > CL=3, but note that it is PC133. > > What do *I* have?!
From: Gary S. Terhune on 16 Dec 2006 11:53 I'd like to tell you the exact steps, but I don't have a 98 machine handy at this moment. Still, it's fairly easy to do, something about adding a chart. You can't hurt anything playing with this app, just go through all the possibilities, click around all you want, till you get the hang of it. You'll eventually find what you're looking for. I don't *think* it will help you here, but a synonym for Swap file is Page file. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Roll Your Own Free Security Suite" http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your_own_Free_Security_Suite Esteban wrote: > "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews(a)mvps.org> wrote in message > news:OU4d9xcHHHA.3872(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> It depends on what you're doing with the machine. If you ever deal >> with large images, or editing images of any size, or video or sound >> editing/playback, then the more RAM you have, the better. >> >> The standard way to judge whether you need more RAM is to use System >> Monitor's "Swap file in use" monitoring. System Monitor is a System >> Tool and usually needs to be installed via Add/Remove Programs => >> Windows Components tab. If "swap file in use" consistently or even >> just often measures more than 10 - 20 MB, then you could make good >> use of more RAM. Make sure to give your system a good workout while >> monitoring, leaving stuff open while you try other things, playiing >> a video or listening to quality music while scrolling through a >> folder full of images, or editing images with something like >> IrfanView, creating an album of photos, etc. Still, at $19 a pop, I'd go >> ahead and fill that baby up. Note that >> Win98 can make decent use of RAM totalling up to 1 GB. That's the >> max. However, some tweaks are required for using more than 512 MB. >> At or under 512 MB, the only limiting factor is the hardware, and >> don't trust the hardware's specs to match reality. Just becasue it >> *says* it can handle 768 MB doesn't make it so. >> >> -- >> >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm >> http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm > Hi folks, > I have really enjoyed reading this thread...thanks. > I have a question I would like to throw out for all you folks. > My OS is 98 SE, when I open SYSTEMS MONITOR it only shows KERNEL > usage. How do I get to SWAP FILE IN USE? > Thanks, > Steve
From: Daave on 16 Dec 2006 12:00
MEB wrote: > Daave wrote: >> MEB wrote: >>> First, what did you do, just the memory upgrade, or the processor >>> and memory? 256megs memory or what? >> >> Actually, I haven't even purchased the RAM yet! But I do plan on >> ordering two 128 MB sticks later on today from Comtread to bring my >> system up to 384 MB. > > If you plan on the processor upgrade, that would be the FIRST that > should be done. Check that your present memory can handle the faster > FSB first though. > At least do as I indicated with the memory up top. I understand the need for a faster processor (and bus speed). However, I am curious to what a memory upgrade can do on its own. Since I currently have PC100 RAM and I plan on getting more PC100 RAM, which will also be compatible with the processor/bus speed upgrade, isn't this still doable? >> BTW, I checked available resources by clicking on the Performance >> tab of >> System Properties. Is there a better way? > > Of course, but what are you trying to accomplish, monitoring or usage. > Monitoring the system take resourses and processor time. Usage, I suppose. I was responding to your question: >>> What was the "available resources" showing. The context was that you stated that 50 MB of swapfile in use was reasonable. And then you asked about available resources. The only way I know of checking that is System Properties > Performance tab. >> Also, I was using Process Explorer. I like how it shows percentage >> of CPU usage for each process. Is there a similar utility that shows >> actual RAM usage? > > Check View in PE then System information. Hmmm, perhaps I need a more recent version (I'm running v10.06). When I check this, I don't see RAM usage for each process. I see CPU Usage and Commit. I do see Physical Memory (K): Total and Available. But that's for the entire system. I would like to see something that breaks it down for each individual program. > Temporarily, try increasing your pre-cache/pre-fetch if possible [delay > play], but don't expect much. How do I do this, and what values do you suggest I use? -- Dave |