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From: Benedolfus on 1 Aug 2010 17:11 Op 01-08-10 22:12, Bear Bottoms schreef: > I never said that it does anything to the code of the software. The > software is not designed to be run on Linux or the developer would say it > is designed for Linux. That is stealing. Wine is also stealing the > Windows API. :) > If the developer (unless he's so unaware of emulation software) didn't want it to be run under wine he should include that in his licence. Now if a follow your discours, why Microsoft didn't take any action against wine? What is the difference between wine and let's say VMware?
From: Craig on 1 Aug 2010 17:22 On 08/01/2010 01:12 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote: > The software is not designed to be run on Linux or the developer > would say it is designed for Linux. That is stealing. Wine is also > stealing the Windows API. Microsoft says you're wrong. <https://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/faq.aspx> > It is important to note that Wine users, and other users of > non-genuine Windows, can continue to download updates for most > Microsoft applications from Microsoft application-specific sites, > such as Office Update. Google too. <https://code.google.com/opensource/wine.html> > In January 2006, Google contracted with CodeWeavers to improve Wine > to run Picasa version 2.2 properly. Some of the changes fix bugs in > Wine; others implement previously unimplemented features. This effort > resulted in 225 patches committed to winehq between 1 January and 18 > April 2006. See the list below, or download the exact Wine source > tarball used for Picasa 2.2 (14 MB). > > We also asked a few interns (Benjamin Arai, Dan Hipschman, James > Hawkins, and Thomas Kho), to improve a few areas of wine (e.g. > oleaut32, widl, msi, and riched20). Together they committed about 300 > patches to the winehq git tree. > > During 2007, we continued to improve Picasa, committing a few dozen > patches to the winehq git tree. See the patches by Lei Zhang and > Nigel Liang below, or download the exact Wine source tarball used for > Picasa 2.7.3736 (10 MB). > > We also contracted with Codeweavers to improve Wine so it could run > Photoshop CS2 properly. As a result, about 200 patches were committed > to winehq, and as of wine-0.9.54, Photoshop CS2 is quite usable. > > But wait, there's more! We also asked a few interns (Dan Hipschman, > Evan Stade, James Hawkins, Jennifer Lai, Juan Lang, MikoĊaj Zalewski, > and Roy Shea) to improve a few areas of Wine (e.g. widl, gdiplus, > msi, crypt32, and BITS), to get a few apps working better, and to > scrape together a win16 conformance test. During 2007, the interns > committed about a thousand patches. > > In 2008, we further improved support for Picasa and Photoshop, and > fixed a few other bugs as well. Here is the exact Wine source tarball > used for Picasa 3.0.5719 (14 MB). > > Thanks again to Codeweavers and our interns (Maarten Lankhorst, Roy > Shea, and Zac Brown) for a great job. -- -Craig
From: Mark Warner on 1 Aug 2010 17:32 Bear Bottoms wrote: > Mark Warner wrote: >> Bear Bottoms wrote: >>> Mark Warner wrote: >>>> Bear Bottoms wrote: >>>>> Wine takes software that was not designed to be run in Linux and >>>>> semi- ports it to be able to run in Linux. >>>> Wine does absolutely nothing to application software. What it does >>>> do is supply the basic Windows API layers necessary for Windows >>>> programs to run on Linux. Again, the applications themselves are >>>> untouched -- they run in wine exactly as they do in Windows. >>> I never said that it does anything to the code of the software. >> You said it "semi-ports" it. (see above) You do know that "porting" >> software mean modifying it, don't you? > > Yes and that is why I said semi. So it "semi-modifies" it? Is that your position? -- Mark Warner MEPIS Linux Registered Linux User #415318 ....lose .inhibitions when replying
From: Mark Warner on 1 Aug 2010 17:43 Mark Warnerbee - Leader of the Resistance wrote: > Bear Bottoms wrote: >> Mark Warnerbee - Leader of the Resistance >>> >>> What if the licence doesn't say it can be run on Windows? >> >> Then it shouldn't be run on Windows. > > Then you had better stop using Xnews! > > "This is freeware. It may be freely distributed provided the copyright and > the contents of all files, including xnews.zip itself, are unmodified. > Needless to say, you can't charge money for it. The usual caveats apply, > i.e., use at your own risk, etc. etc. :-" Bwahahahahahahahaha.... -- Mark Warner MEPIS Linux Registered Linux User #415318 ....lose .inhibitions when replying
From: Stephen Wolstenholme on 1 Aug 2010 17:44
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:24:33 -0400, Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Bear Bottoms wrote: >> Mark Warnerbee - Leader of the Resistance wrote: >>> >>> You Sir have answered nothing. You proclaimed Wine to be 'program >>> stealing software'. I asked. How does Wine steal software? >> >> Wine takes software that was not designed to be run in Linux and semi- >> ports it to be able to run in Linux. > >Absolutely not true. > >Wine does absolutely nothing to application software. What it does do is >supply the basic Windows API layers necessary for Windows programs to >run on Linux. Again, the applications themselves are untouched -- they >run in wine exactly as they do in Windows. There are some differences in Windows and Wine. I know that because one of my applications produced for Windows will not run under Wine when more than eight worker threads are allowed. I've have not spent much time investigating the differences but there must be some. Steve -- Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com |