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From: cjns1989 on 30 Jun 2010 18:50 Maybe he means "put" the usual "contents" of /var (cache, spool, log..) in a given partition? Hence, his question re: more than one /var. If that is what he wants (needs?), there's nothing preventing him from defining separate mount points and partitions for each sub-directory of /var at install time, I would imagine? Although it would make more sense doing so with /home for instance - possibly on large multiuser system, e.g. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Alan Chandler" alan(a)chandlerfamily.org.uk Date: Jun. 30 2010 06:43AM Subject: Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice On 30/06/10 09:29, Merciadri Luca wrote: > I find this perfect, but it should be coupled with the impossibility of > putting on two partitions the same stuff, i.e. putting /var on two > partitions, for example. > You are still talking backwards You put the partition (/dev/sdXY) on /var not the other way round. You DON'T put /var on /dev/sdXY If you imagine there is a conceptual drawing of the tree starting at / and including all the major mount points - with the non standard mount points being creatable manually, and somewhere below a list of unallocated partitions. Then you could drag any partition (from the unallocated list or from another mount point) and drop it on mount point you wanted. If that mount point already had a partition at that point it would warn you, and if you said continue would move the old partition back into the unallocated list. If you said don't continue it would leave the old one where it was and the new one would return from whence it came. -- Alan Chandler http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4C2B2DD7.2070009(a)chandlerfamily.org.uk
From: Rob Owens on 1 Jul 2010 22:20 On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > Mark wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Merciadri Luca > > <Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be > > <mailto:Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be>> wrote: > > > > Mark wrote: > > > > > Yes, but you said this wasn't for beginners in your original post so > > > if a non-beginner can't get the Bootable Flag set up on the right > > > partition to boot, they are not a non-beginner...so this point > > > probably doesn't apply. > > > > > Okay. But why allowing something that has no interest to be done, > > to be > > done, be it by a beginner or not? > > > > > > Good point. Maybe the code didn't fit into the Debian Installer to > > determine which partitions to allow the user to make bootable? Your > > guess is as good as mine. > Same applies for the fact of checking at least two times `/stuff/', for > different (at least two) partitions. If the effect of using such a > scheme is documented, this might be interesting to understand what it > does. But it does not look documented, and I don't understand i) what > could happen if I used such a scheme; ii) its reason to be there. > Seems like a good reason to file a bug report, if you ask me. Before doing so, you might want to actually try an installation like that. Who knows, maybe the installer will throw an error on the next screen. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100702021123.GC8189(a)aurora.owens.net
From: Merciadri Luca on 2 Jul 2010 10:20 Rob Owens wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > >> Mark wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Merciadri Luca >>> <Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be >>> <mailto:Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be>> wrote: >>> >>> Mark wrote: >>> >>> > Yes, but you said this wasn't for beginners in your original post so >>> > if a non-beginner can't get the Bootable Flag set up on the right >>> > partition to boot, they are not a non-beginner...so this point >>> > probably doesn't apply. >>> > >>> Okay. But why allowing something that has no interest to be done, >>> to be >>> done, be it by a beginner or not? >>> >>> >>> Good point. Maybe the code didn't fit into the Debian Installer to >>> determine which partitions to allow the user to make bootable? Your >>> guess is as good as mine. >>> >> Same applies for the fact of checking at least two times `/stuff/', for >> different (at least two) partitions. If the effect of using such a >> scheme is documented, this might be interesting to understand what it >> does. But it does not look documented, and I don't understand i) what >> could happen if I used such a scheme; ii) its reason to be there. >> >> > Seems like a good reason to file a bug report, if you ask me. Before > doing so, you might want to actually try an installation like that. Who > knows, maybe the installer will throw an error on the next screen. > Maybe (for the possibly thrown error). I don't know, and I can't test nowadays because I simply don't have another PC which could receive a new Debian install. But if somebody can test, I would appreciate receiving the results. -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ I use PGP. If there is an incompatibility problem with your mail client, please contact me.
From: Lisi on 2 Jul 2010 10:50 On Friday 02 July 2010 15:14:03 Merciadri Luca wrote: > Rob Owens wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > >> Mark wrote: > >>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Merciadri Luca > >>> <Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be > >>> <mailto:Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Mark wrote: > >>> > Yes, but you said this wasn't for beginners in your original post > >>> > so if a non-beginner can't get the Bootable Flag set up on the > >>> > right partition to boot, they are not a non-beginner...so this > >>> > point probably doesn't apply. > >>> > >>> Okay. But why allowing something that has no interest to be done, > >>> to be > >>> done, be it by a beginner or not? > >>> > >>> > >>> Good point. Maybe the code didn't fit into the Debian Installer to > >>> determine which partitions to allow the user to make bootable? Your > >>> guess is as good as mine. > >> > >> Same applies for the fact of checking at least two times `/stuff/', for > >> different (at least two) partitions. If the effect of using such a > >> scheme is documented, this might be interesting to understand what it > >> does. But it does not look documented, and I don't understand i) what > >> could happen if I used such a scheme; ii) its reason to be there. > > > > Seems like a good reason to file a bug report, if you ask me. Before > > doing so, you might want to actually try an installation like that. Who > > knows, maybe the installer will throw an error on the next screen. > > Maybe (for the possibly thrown error). I don't know, and I can't test > nowadays because I simply don't have another PC which could receive a > new Debian install. But if somebody can test, I would appreciate > receiving the results. If I have time, I'll try - once I am clear what it is that you want. I'm afraid that at the moment I haven't succeeded in understanding what it is that you want. In your explanation, try to keep things the right way round: mount partitions on mount points, not mount points on partitions. At the moment I am very muddled about what you are trying to do. Lisi P.S. Sorry, Luca. I have only just got round to investigating why my emails go to you and not the list. It is a problem that I don't usually have, and I forgot just now. Normally I just click "reply" and it goes to the list. I usually have to click on "reply special" to reply to the author. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201007021547.04734.lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com
From: Rob Owens on 2 Jul 2010 22:40
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 03:47:04PM +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Friday 02 July 2010 15:14:03 Merciadri Luca wrote: > > Rob Owens wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote: > > >> Mark wrote: > > >>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Merciadri Luca > > >>> <Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be > > >>> <mailto:Luca.Merciadri(a)student.ulg.ac.be>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Mark wrote: > > >>> > Yes, but you said this wasn't for beginners in your original post > > >>> > so if a non-beginner can't get the Bootable Flag set up on the > > >>> > right partition to boot, they are not a non-beginner...so this > > >>> > point probably doesn't apply. > > >>> > > >>> Okay. But why allowing something that has no interest to be done, > > >>> to be > > >>> done, be it by a beginner or not? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Good point. Maybe the code didn't fit into the Debian Installer to > > >>> determine which partitions to allow the user to make bootable? Your > > >>> guess is as good as mine. > > >> > > >> Same applies for the fact of checking at least two times `/stuff/', for > > >> different (at least two) partitions. If the effect of using such a > > >> scheme is documented, this might be interesting to understand what it > > >> does. But it does not look documented, and I don't understand i) what > > >> could happen if I used such a scheme; ii) its reason to be there. > > > > > > Seems like a good reason to file a bug report, if you ask me. Before > > > doing so, you might want to actually try an installation like that. Who > > > knows, maybe the installer will throw an error on the next screen. > > > > Maybe (for the possibly thrown error). I don't know, and I can't test > > nowadays because I simply don't have another PC which could receive a > > new Debian install. But if somebody can test, I would appreciate > > receiving the results. > > If I have time, I'll try - once I am clear what it is that you want. I'm > afraid that at the moment I haven't succeeded in understanding what it is > that you want. > I tried it. It took about 5 minutes in virtualbox-ose. The installer lets me assign 2 partitions with the same mount point, but when I hit "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk", I get a red screen with an error "Two file systems are assigned the same mount point (/stuff)"..."Please correct this by changing mount points". At that point I can hit either "continue" or "go back". Both choices bring me back to the "Partition disks" screen. So it seems it is impossible to proceed with two partitions sharing the same mount point -- as it should be. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100703023320.GD15350(a)aurora.owens.net |