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From: Eef Hartman on 23 Feb 2010 09:13 houghi <houghi(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote: > Vahis wrote: >> SLED comes with Gnome. Not good. > > Partly wrong. SLED comes with GNOME as default. Just don't install GNOME > and install KDE. It _does_ come with KDE 4.1.3 only (no 3.x anymore, nor any "newer" versions _of_ kde). -- ******************************************************************* ** Eef Hartman, Delft University of Technology, dept. SSC/ICT ** ** e-mail: E.J.M.Hartman(a)tudelft.nl - phone: +31-15-278 82525 ** *******************************************************************
From: JT on 23 Feb 2010 09:27 On 23/02/10 14:32, David Bolt wrote: > On Tuesday 23 Feb 2010 12:05, while playing with a tin of spray paint, > Shmuel Metz painted this mural: > > >> >> In <20100223061806(a)usenet.waxborg.local>, on 02/23/2010 >> at 04:51 AM, Vahis <waxborg(a)gmail.com.invalid> said: >> >> >>> I don't want to but I'll have to. >>> openSUSE will be obsolete next summer. >>> >> How does that force you to upgrade? If you aren't changing hardware, don't >> need support and don't need new features then why can't you stay with what >> you have until your situation changes? >> > There is no reason for upgrading, unless you need the security updates > or, as you say, change your hardware or need some new features. I still > have a three systems running 10.3 just as well as they did when they > were first installed, and another one that has been running 9.1 for > years. That one will never receive an upgrade because it's unable to > take more memory than the 160MB it already has, has no CD or DVD drive > available to it, and can't boot from ethernet or USB. For the purpose > it has ended up with, which is mainly to run syslogd and listen for > remote log events, it's just fine. Although I might be able to shoehorn > one of the 11.x releases onto it with some significant effort, it isn't > worth that effort. It might be worth the effort if there's a drive > failure at some point in the future, but it's more likely I'll just > use one of my other machines instead. > > > Regards, > David Bolt > > As you state yourself: security updates are a good reason to upgrade. I can't imagine anyone saying: "Heck, I don't need _those_" -- Kind regards, JT
From: Vahis on 23 Feb 2010 09:50 On 2010-02-23, houghi <houghi(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote: > Vahis wrote: >> I'm looking forward to rolling upgrades. >> I also think that if I go from 11.0 via zypper dup it's messy and >> uncertain as for result. >> So I won't try that. > > That is why I would wait for 11.3. I have it running, MS2. I'm preparing myself. > >> SLED may not have LAMP. That would be quite obvious. > > Wait, you were talking about doing all on XEN and nw you are adding LAMP > as well? I said it in the first place: SLES running as LAMP server and as host for Xen virtual machines. This way the server stays in good shape for years and I can have the latest desktops as well. >> Thanks for your ideas :) > > I have plenty of ideas. Most of then are rubbish and almost not of them > are on topic here. They do include female nipples, Belgian beer and > Frank Zappa, so perhaps on topic after all. F.Z. encouraged everybody to have ideas and to try to make them come true. No matter how crazy they were. In his book "The Real Frank Zappa Book there's a whole chapter about all the crazy and rediculous ideas he had and that flopped big time. Like yhe idea of selling music online instead of transporting truckloads of plastic and cardboard around. He says there that this idea was one of the most rediculuous and it would never fly. This was told him by the industry. They should know. He represented this concept during the first half of the eighties. Vahis -- "Sunrise 7:39am (EET), sunset 5:29pm (EET) at Espoo, FI (9:49 hours daylight)" http://waxborg.servepics.com Linux 2.6.25.20-0.6-default #1 SMP 2010-01-14 18:58:36 +0100 x86_64 4:39pm up 3 days 9:08, 15 users, load average: 0.20, 0.16, 0.10
From: Vahis on 23 Feb 2010 09:58 On 2010-02-23, Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman(a)tudelft.nl> wrote: > houghi <houghi(a)houghi.org.invalid> wrote: >> Vahis wrote: >>> SLED comes with Gnome. Not good. >> >> Partly wrong. SLED comes with GNOME as default. Just don't install GNOME >> and install KDE. > > It _does_ come with KDE 4.1.3 only (no 3.x anymore, nor any "newer" > versions _of_ kde). I guess I could cope with 4.3.1 if I had to. Does it have the LAMP properties? In that case I will download it immediately even before I had the time to install SLES which I already downloaded. What I'm after is a longlife LAMP server and host for virtual machines for home, not a real industrial corporate server. I guess anything can be installed outside the contract but it would not make much sense I think. Vahis -- "Sunrise 7:39am (EET), sunset 5:29pm (EET) at Espoo, FI (9:49 hours daylight)" http://waxborg.servepics.com Linux 2.6.25.20-0.6-default #1 SMP 2010-01-14 18:58:36 +0100 x86_64 4:51pm up 3 days 9:20, 15 users, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.07
From: David Bolt on 23 Feb 2010 09:52
On Tuesday 23 Feb 2010 14:27, while playing with a tin of spray paint, JT painted this mural: > As you state yourself: security updates are a good reason to upgrade. I > can't imagine anyone saying: "Heck, I don't need _those_" <FX: waves> I have, but only for that one machine. To access it you need to have physical access to it, despite it being connected to my network, ssh is disabled and the only way log in is through the keyboard. Also, with it sat less than 1m from me, and in plain view, I think I might just notice if someone was trying to physically log in. That's not to say that it's only ever accessed through the keyboard as I occasionally enable ssh, log in from my main system and do whatever I'm wanting to do over ssh, and then disable ssh again. This is pretty rare and is usually to check something for historical purposes, where I want to cut and paste something to a mail or news post. Other than that, it's left well alone. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 11.0 32b | | | openSUSE 11.3M1 32b openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 11.2 64b | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11 |