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From: ZnU on 9 Aug 2010 23:01 In article <5pe16619c9osglb5urm3gk8fi7kn1r3jev(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:20:47 -0400, in > <znu-7077B6.22204709082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU > <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > >In article <v9bu5618p0gou9kevekfsef4hrm3jtomad(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > >> If that were true, then the principal engineer would still have a job, > >> yet he was fired. Oops! > > > >The WSJ disagrees with you about why. > > Nope. You appear to be one of those posters who switches to content-free one-line replies when he's losing. -- "The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
From: ZnU on 9 Aug 2010 23:05 In article <uce166h1ka0q39f5np82u2kpfbr0fif7lf(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:27:30 -0400, in > <znu-73FD16.22273009082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU > <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > >In article <re4u56d4gi4ejkg9slfkn82lhrdm3ia9lf(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > >> Software problems are easy to fix in the field. > >> Hardware problems are not. > > > >Ironically, the single biggest "software problem" with Android right now > >is probably that handset vendors have inserted themselves into the > >update process (by "customizing" Android -- usually making it worse) and > >are fallow down on the job when it comes to making updates available to > >users. > > Nothing of the sort. Customizations by HTC and Motorola are popular > improvements. 1) You have no data to support that. 2) It's not really the point I was making. > >> How so? Apple got a jump on them, but both are doing very well with > >> their Android devices, rapidly gaining share. > > > >By "Apple got the jump on them" I assume you mean "Apple entered a > >market they'd already been in for years, with a product that was better > >than anything they'd managed to produce to that point." > > I did not mean that. > Kindly refrain from childish argumentation. Hmm... I've never seen anyone try to distance themselves from a truthful statement that fast. (Outside of politics, anyway.) > >> And smartphones are still > >> only a small part of the overall phone market. > > > >Smartphones are pretty much the entire future of the market. ... > > I disagree. Then you are, frankly, a short-sighed fool. > >> It is what it is. ;) > > > >Yeah. And it's 1/3 of Apple's. > > Irrelevant. You claimed that "Apple has come up to speed remarkably well, but its mistakes are evidence of how new it is to the party as compared to much more experienced players like Nokia and Motorola." Yet the fact that Apple is beating the pants off of "much more experienced players like Nokia and Motorola" _despite_ their more established position in the market three years ago tends to suggest that they have made far more serious mistakes than Apple has. > >> That doesn't follow, but it's a pointless debate regardless. > > > >I like how the debate became pointless as soon as you got cornered. > > I'm not cornered. > The issue is that any debate with you is pointless. > You've become a good candidate for my kill file. Feel free. -- "The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
From: ZnU on 9 Aug 2010 23:06 In article <eoe166t1l5kgvr3h2k290sqmcq0an8e96b(a)4ax.com>, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:29:53 -0400, in > <znu-FA7830.22295309082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU > <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: > > >In article <164u561i94um3buf9ptjp2ooa2ekmj6e3i(a)4ax.com>, > > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > > > >[snip] > > > >> >This is a battle for the future of mobile computing. ... > >> > >> It's a battle for the mobile phone market. > >> The iPad market is a different market and battle. > >> If you disagree, try making a phone call with an iPad, > >> and let me know how well it's "working for you". ;) > > > >The iPad is arguably a different market. I would say it was definitely a > >different market, except that it's possible to 'universal' apps. > > > >The iPod Touch is absolutely _not_ a different market in any meaningful > >sense, despite the number of people who'd like to frame it that way to > >make Android look better. > > Wrong. Your response has no substance. -- "The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
From: John Navas on 9 Aug 2010 23:06 On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:06:15 -0400, in <znu-04A02D.23061509082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: >In article <eoe166t1l5kgvr3h2k290sqmcq0an8e96b(a)4ax.com>, > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:29:53 -0400, in >> <znu-FA7830.22295309082010(a)Port80.Individual.NET>, ZnU >> <znu(a)fake.invalid> wrote: >> >> >In article <164u561i94um3buf9ptjp2ooa2ekmj6e3i(a)4ax.com>, >> > John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >> > >> >[snip] >> > >> >> >This is a battle for the future of mobile computing. ... >> >> >> >> It's a battle for the mobile phone market. >> >> The iPad market is a different market and battle. >> >> If you disagree, try making a phone call with an iPad, >> >> and let me know how well it's "working for you". ;) >> > >> >The iPad is arguably a different market. I would say it was definitely a >> >different market, except that it's possible to 'universal' apps. >> > >> >The iPod Touch is absolutely _not_ a different market in any meaningful >> >sense, despite the number of people who'd like to frame it that way to >> >make Android look better. >> >> Wrong. > >Your response has no substance. Wrong. -- John If the iPhone and iPad are really so impressive, then why do iFans keep making excuses for them?
From: ZnU on 9 Aug 2010 23:50
In article <4c5f1a37$0$32727$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > nospam wrote: > > > rim is losing market share. > > This was inevitable. RIM managed to create a new class of phones for > statistics point of view. They were alone in that class, because all > other phones with similar features were just considered "phones", not > "smartphones". > > When Apple came in, they got put into that class, and so did HTC, and > apparently a few Windows Mobile phones. So in that class where Rim used > to stand alone, Rim's market share can only go down and others get > counted in that same class. Frankly, these days, I think I'd count BlackBerry devices more as 'e-mail appliances' than a smartphones of the same sort as Android/iPhone devices. I base this opinion on data like this: http://blog.flurry.com/bid/31825/iPad-Developer-Support-Continues-to-Soar [snip] -- "The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes |