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From: Dennis Ferguson on 10 Aug 2010 11:22
On 2010-08-09, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote:
> On 09/08/10 9:43 AM, nospam wrote:
>> In article<4c602cf3$0$22173$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net>, SMS
>> <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote:
>>> The meteoric rise in sales of Android phones on other carriers is no
>>> doubt of great concern to Apple, and they will not wait any longer than
>>> absolutely necessary to launch iPhones on other carriers (especially
>>> Verizon since and AT&T/Verizon Duopoly is emerging in wireless as most
>>> growth in sales is on AT&T and Verizon).
>>
>> i'm sure apple will be happy to include sprint and t-mobile users too,
>> as well as sprint and t-mobile will be happy to carry it. there's
>> little point in doing verizon and not doing sprint (same radio).
>
> And Korea.

It seems like there'd be little point in that since Korean UMTS
carriers have about 80% market share and provide coverage as good as
the CDMA coverage. It is also a complication since Korean (and most
Asian) CDMA phones require a SIM slot but CDMA phones for the US market
never have one. That either means different models for US and Asia
or a US phone with an empty SIM slot, and both of those possibilities
seem very un-Apple-like. You never know, though.

Dennis Ferguson
From: nospam on 10 Aug 2010 11:30
In article <ulq266t7auh260gtlmsqt7o6r0huj6j2sk(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >That could mean the other 80% that didn't pickup their free rubber
> >bumper either didn't think they need one, bought one somewhere else,
> >or weren't paying attention to the news. Difficult to tell.
>
> Or were most interested in showing off their new toys than in masking
> what they are. I suspect bumper use will pick up once the novelty wears
> off.

nonsense. the bumpers are in short supply and at least initially, were
the only case available. once other manufacturers ramp up, there's no
reason why case usage won't be similar to previous iphones, especially
since the iphone 4 is more fragile (glass on both sides).
From: ed on 10 Aug 2010 11:31
On Aug 10, 3:28 am, Sandman <m...(a)sandman.net> wrote:
> On 2010-08-10 11:58:15 +0200, ed said:
> >> I just think your (as in, all you americans, not you specifically)
> >> cellular plans are fucked up. I pay $80/month (VAT included) for
> >> flatrate data and flatrate calls for my plan and twin card that share
> >> the same flatrate data plan is included in the price, and I just went
> >> to my providers home page and clicked "order micro-sim" and it was
> >> posted to me free of charge as my twin card.
>
> > unlimited (voice, data, txt) plans in the u.s. currently start in the
> > $45-$50 range.  on att, the ipad data plans were $30 unlimited when
> > they existed ($25 for 2 gigs now); no shared extra-card plans, but
> > unlimited data plans on other carriers start at about $40 (though i
> > don't think anyone else has a micro sim at this point).  so you're not
> > really talking about a whole lot of difference in cost when it comes
> > to the actual plans themselves.
>
> And those numbers are VAT included and no commitment time? I can get
> lower monthly if I commit to a 12/24/48 month plan, but I would never
> do that...
>
> VAT in Sweden is 25%. So if your prices are excluded VAT you'd have to
> remove 25% from my price to compare (I don't pay VAT since I'm a
> business, so...)

no commitment, not including taxes and surcharges, and we don't have
vat. my taxes and surcharges end up (for 2 lines) at about 4.5% (a
little less than $6) for 2 lines. i'm not sure how much of those fees
and taxes (10 total) are flat rate and how many are a percentage of
cost).
From: nospam on 10 Aug 2010 11:37
In article <06q266td1tg5sg55i5a0aq5lnqb6d81q67(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >Hmm, while I don't see eye-to-eye with ZnU very often, I find his points
> >are typically relevant, and I respect his POV, even when I don't agree.
> >He also actually debates issues, rather than give one-word retorts like
> >"Wrong." as you and nospam tend to do.
>
> ZnU gives the appearance of discussion, but has an extreme agenda,

and you don't? you bash apple at every turn.

perhaps i should remind readers that you dug up a six year old review
of safari to compare to the latest version of firefox to 'prove' apple
software sucks?

> and stoops to slurs and insults when cornered.

and you post your 'attack the man' quote or killfile anyone that
challenges you. you also stoop to slurs and insults, including 'ifan'
in your sig.

> You may call that "debate" (and you are entitled to your opinion).
> I don't. Sincere questions are given serious consideration.
> Insincere questions are given the short shrift they deserve,
> especially when posted anonymously.

hypocrisy is what that's called.
From: SMS on 10 Aug 2010 11:40
On 09/08/10 10:28 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> Sure. Most complex chip makers supply several "reference design"
> packages that are ready to use by their customers. Intel pioneered
> that where they supplied complete motherboard schematics, that
> conveniently used only Intel chips, to vendors. It wasn't too
> surprising that many of the motherboards were exactly the same as the
> reference design. That works fairly well until the board designer has
> to consider timing skew, line impedance matching, termination,
> RFI/EMI, and other RF related issues. The reference design didn't
> consider these, turning transmission lines into antennas. Presumably,
> todays software has fixed all this.

Having done reference designs, you've got that bass-ackwards. The
reference design considered _all_ of those factors, the struggle is in
getting the customer to continue to consider them as they do their own
design. There are so many conflicting design requirements in a
motherboard that there are inevitably trade-offs. One of the major
reasons that Intel entered the motherboard business in major way
(starting with the Pentium), despite absurdly low margins on
motherboards, was because the Taiwanese manufacturers were having so
much trouble doing working designs that it was threatening sales of
CPUs. The lax design practices in terms of timing, impedance, and
termination that they had used with lower speed processors on the ISA
bus were no longer working, with EISA, VL, and PCI buses.

Some customers just want to copy the reference design exactly, and
that's fine, but they're stuck with all the components that the CPU
manufacturer selected, for whatever reason, and those may not be the
least costly or highest performance components by the time the customer
is ready to do a design.

What we do for customers is to perform extensive design reviews of both
their schematics and their layout to minimize problems. This works well,
though sometimes you get a problem board out of the blue from a customer
that you never knew about that was getting parts through distribution,
and was being secretive.

> I wouldn't know as I've never worked directly for a large cell phone
> manufacturer. The big advantage of eliminating the prototype cycle is
> that it is now possible to produce dozens of design and package
> mutations with just a few keystrokes.

I can't speak for cell phones, but for tablets what was done was a
proof-of-concept large board with test points and various
instrumentation, and once the design is working a proper form factor
board is done. It's very difficult to do debugging and rework on the
proper form factor board. I would be surprised if the same system is not
used on something like an iPhone. The smaller board inevitably works
better and faster once you shorten traces and remove test points and
debug connectors that were present on the larger board.
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