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From: Eeyore on 6 Aug 2006 15:02 Jim Yanik wrote: > Saddam was waiting for UN embargoes to fade away,then he'd restart his WMD > programs You just said he was already using oil-for-food money to fund WMDs ! Make your mind up. Which was it ? Graham
From: Michael A. Terrell on 6 Aug 2006 15:05 Eeyore wrote: > > Phat Bytestard wrote: > > > On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:29:14 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" > > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> Gave us: > > > > > Yes, it does. If you're in the paper products or produce business. > > >It would be damn hard to make money selling apples and other fruit > > >without growing them on trees. It would also be very hard to build > > >decent homes without lumber, which grows on trees, as well. > > > > Yep... even the media that the "money" got printed on came from > > trees. > > Rag has been traditionally used actually ! You can't get much right can you ? > > Graham YOU don't know much about paper. Yes, some paper does use other fibers, and it is sometimes listed as RAG content. Some experiment paper used other sources of fiber, such as common weeds, so you might even have RAGweed paper. I grew up around the paper industry. High quality writing paper and cardboard (Corrugated) box manufacturing were some of the larger industries in the Middletown Ohio area. Harding Jones, Crystal Tissue, Inland Container, Packaging Corporation of America, Akers Packaging, Stone Container Corporation, Jefferson Smurfit, and a number of smaller paper related paper manufacturing companies. We also had the world headquarters of what is now AK steel, a Wadsworth Electric plant that was bought out by Square "D", and a lot of large machine shops that made parts for paper processing equipment. The paper ranged from basic unbleached wood pulp, to the thinnest grades of tissue wrapping paper, and one company specialized in fine watermarked papers, including custom manufactured paper for birth certificates, and property titles. As far as paper for money, some of it has synthetic fibers added to make them last longer, and to be harder to tear. I installed paging systems in several paper mills, and knew the owners or managers of several more. My dad worked 25 years in a corrugated box plant, and spent most of his time working in management so I had piles of trade journals to read about the various processes used to make different papers, on different machines. One of my uncles ran a "Beater" which was a huge machine used to grind up railroad carloads of magazines and junk mail to turn it back into pulp that was used to make egg cartons and formed paper shipping materials. He used to laugh about whole train car loads of Playboy and Penthouse being ground up to remove the staples, and some of the guys whining because there was no access between the time the train cars arrived, and the paper was shredded. Any more lies about paper you'd like to tell? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida
From: Phat Bytestard on 6 Aug 2006 15:07 On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 18:41:43 +0100, John Woodgate <jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> Gave us: >Most people who have studied the subject disagree. By 'pushing the >envelope', the military demands are a powerful force for innovation. 100% correct!
From: John Larkin on 6 Aug 2006 15:13 On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 18:57:34 +0100, John Woodgate <jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In message <44D628FF.FC0D5FCD(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Sun, 6 Aug >2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> writes > >>In the UK it simply means that house purchase has become beyond the >>means of many who would once have been able to afford to buy. >> >>Round here, house purchase is no longer possible on anything other than >>a very serious income. > >It's a self-fulfilling process. House prices rise, and the industry >finds more and more ingenious ways of making those prices affordable. >It's very much in the interest of their commission payments to do so. >It's got to the point now that the Government can't stop it; action to >restore realistic prices would create widespread hardship. The reasons >are complex and I don't propose to recount them here. > >The really spectacular escalation occurred from around 50 years ago, as >provident people became able to purchase their house as sitting tenants. >Over about 30 years, the value of the house increased 100-fold. In California, the squeeze results from increasing population combined with putting a lot of land off-limits to development. You don't have a lot of surplus land in Britain, either, I guess. Housing is a fraction of our local pricing in, say, Texas or Florida. John
From: Eeyore on 6 Aug 2006 15:15
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > > > > Phat Bytestard wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:29:14 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" > > > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> Gave us: > > > > > > > Yes, it does. If you're in the paper products or produce business. > > > >It would be damn hard to make money selling apples and other fruit > > > >without growing them on trees. It would also be very hard to build > > > >decent homes without lumber, which grows on trees, as well. > > > > > > Yep... even the media that the "money" got printed on came from > > > trees. > > > > Rag has been traditionally used actually ! You can't get much right can you ? > > > > Graham > > YOU don't know much about paper. > > As far as paper for money, some of it has synthetic fibers added to > make them last longer, and to be harder to tear. And what was used before synthetic fibres ? Are you suggesting the paper made from rag *isn't* in use even now ? Graham |