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From: John Woodgate on 8 Aug 2006 04:54 In message <44D84D39.C6A1AA19(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> writes > > >John Woodgate wrote: > >> In message <4jqtm0F9b7r6U1(a)individual.net>, dated Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Dirk >> Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> writes >> >Why not take Bin Laden at his word, and read *why* he attacked the US? >> Citation? > >"We decided to destroy towers in America," because "we want to regain the >freedom of our nation," Bin Ladin said. > Somehow, the connection between one and the other escapes me. But then, I'm not a homicidal maniac, so it wouldn't. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on 8 Aug 2006 05:11 John Woodgate wrote: > In message <44D84D39.C6A1AA19(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Tue, 8 Aug > 2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> writes >> >> >> John Woodgate wrote: >> >>> In message <4jqtm0F9b7r6U1(a)individual.net>, dated Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Dirk >>> Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> writes >>> >Why not take Bin Laden at his word, and read *why* he attacked the US? >>> Citation? >> >> "We decided to destroy towers in America," because "we want to regain the >> freedom of our nation," Bin Ladin said. >> > Somehow, the connection between one and the other escapes me. But then, > I'm not a homicidal maniac, so it wouldn't. Well, if you read Bin Ladens political history you will see that his main aim was to overthrow the corrupt House of Saud which is/was supported by the US. However, at the time he was mainly pissed off because the Saudis allowed US troops to be stationed on his holy soil. Everything that has followed beyond this has been opportunistic. For example, Bin Laden has only recently got involved with the Palestinian issue. Dirk
From: John Woodgate on 8 Aug 2006 05:03 In message <44D84DE5.4A07C7DA(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> writes >" Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar >of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary >to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. Read that carefully; it's nonsense, isn't it. 'Free men do not forfeit security. We do not forfeit security. Therefore we are free men.' You can prove a horse is a cow (count the legs) with that brand of logic. Enlightened slave owners, from Roman times if not before, gave their slaves excellent security. It saved having to buy and train new ones. Enlightened managements treat electronic engineers like that, too. > >If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example - >Sweden? " Bush or anyone else doesn't have to explain what ObL doesn't do. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK
From: John Woodgate on 8 Aug 2006 05:07 In message <44D84E4F.7F57F77E(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> writes >We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our >nation. So shall we lay waste to yours. " Which nation is this? ObL is a Saudi; I haven't noticed the US laying waste to Saudi recently. In fact, US is criticized (not groundlessly) for propping up the feudal/sacerdotal regime there. A regime that first embraced and then rejected ObL, I believe. A regime that he hates, and is actually why he hates USA. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk 2006 is YMMVI- Your mileage may vary immensely. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK
From: xray on 8 Aug 2006 05:17
On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:34:39 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > > >John Woodgate wrote: > >> In message <dgagd2dnnd6egl07phm8qh0aog2rb09nn5(a)4ax.com>, dated Mon, 7 >> Aug 2006, xray <notreally(a)hotmail.invalid> writes >> >> >At that time, I think the hate toward the US was mainly because of how >> >our lifestyle was leading the rest of the world (including the Middle >> >East) astray because it was enticing, not so much because of any >> >political or military actions the US had made. >> >> It's a big factor. The priests see their lifestyle threatened, and I >> don't mean only Muslims. > >Sorry, John but I don't see that the argument that the US was attacked because >of jealousy over the richness of the western lifestyle holds any water at all. > It's not jealousy. Pretty much exactly the opposite. Don't let this horrible lifestyle spread. |