From: John Fields on
On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:38:47 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

>"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> schreef in bericht
>news:4jpfi8F95hb6U1(a)individual.net...
>> John Fields wrote:
>>> ---
>>> Well, then, you support Israel's right to defend herself under her
>>> own laws and in her own way?
>>
>> No.
>> The right of self defence has to be limited in a civilised society. If
>> somebody slaps me I have no right to burn their house down with them and
>> their family inside.
>> The law recognises 'proportionate response'.
>
>Civilised folks don't even need a law to see that.

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Hogwash.

Civilized folks is where law came from.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
From: Frank Bemelman on
"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
news:h9sgd25us6qgn0kbuqo46lce1720e2ig75(a)4ax.com...
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:21:44 +0100, John Woodgate
> <jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <7umed296qg2k96rhg962c1cbdfibv65c2l(a)4ax.com>, dated Mon, 7
>>Aug 2006, John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> writes
>>
>>>I think that now, however, when we see the handwriting on the wall we
>>>have fewer compunctions about going after the author in a pre-emptive
>>>way.
>>
>>But it says 'Mene, mene tekal upharsin.'
>
> ---
> I think that would apply more to the kingdoms of Jerry Falwell and
> his ilk than to the US, but I was referring to events like
> acquisition of nuclear weaponry by those with no respect for life.

Would you be so kind and immediately turn in all your nuclear
weaponry. Thank you very much.

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Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)


From: John Fields on
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:24:29 GMT, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
<null(a)example.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:10:11 -0500, John Fields wrote:
>
>> Well, then, you support Israel's right to defend herself under her
>> own laws and in her own way?
>
>I merely know that I detest the mindset that rationalizes murdering
>your neighbors and their wives and children as "defense".

---
Then you agree that Hezbollah are murderers and the Israelis are
defending themselves against murderers.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
From: Keith on
In article <44D87937.16E780AD(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>,
rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com says...
>
>
> xray wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:04:06 +0100, Eeyore
> > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> I don't know the early details, but the first big computer I heard about
> > >> was to compute firing tables for artillery guns in WWII. I think the
> > >> first "bug" story occured with that project and captain Grace Hopper.
> > >
> > >See the film 'Brazil' for an interesting context. Worth seeing anyway as it happens.
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug
> >
> >
> > I do know about the bug, I've got a better picture of that notebook page
> > hanging on my wall.
> >
> > Brazil?
> >
> > I've seen the strange movie but it's been a while and I'm not sure where
> > exactly is the relevance to these early computers.
>
> The tale begins as the result of a computer bug - literally a bug in the works. It's a
> fabulous piece of work. A bit like 1984/Brave New World on steroids but including
> torture/brainwashing and 'political terrorism' too ( on both sides ). Yet it still
> manages to be funny !
>
>
> > P.S.
> > Grace used to hand out nanoseconds. Do you know about that?
>
> I didn't. Do tell.

Foot long piece of phone wire.

--
Keith
From: Reg Edwards on

> And yes, I have a problem with that. I don't enjoy seeing
> people with problems, regardless where they live.
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Other people's problems are very interesting. It's other people's
problems which sustain this thread.

Not living in the Lebonan we should consider ourselves fortunate at
being able to take a painless, light-hearted, detached view and get
snatches of it on the box.

It's now becoming boring. But sooner or later the subject will
change.
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