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From: AES on 3 Jul 2010 21:28 In article <yobpqz5wijq.fsf(a)panix3.panix.com>, BreadWithSpam(a)fractious.net wrote: > I haven't gotten an iPad (yet) myself. But while those issues > are real, they are very minor for me. Regardless of the OS's > restrictions on filespace and such, the form factor and input > structure would make it mainly a data consumption device (or > for very minor edits) and at this point, I'm willing to haul > around my MacBookPro all the time instead. But that's getting > very tiresome and I can easily see using an iPad for going to > client meetings and other on-the-road activities and leaving > the MBP behind a whole lot more than I do now. We'll see. > > But I can easily see how the iPad's restrictions help make it > an easier, simpler, more reliable consumer device. Just because > those restrictions would make it less useful to me doesn't mean > that I can't see the sense in it. Our "wants" seem to be similar: an iPad-like device for temporary use while main machine stays tethered at home base. But I'm evidently more averse to having to learn a new set of skills and a messy, or at least uncertain, new interface just for what should be the trivially simple task of moving files and folders between these two machines -- and worse, a whole new (and uncertain) mental picture of just where my files are in the process -- especially when moving files is a _key_ element in how you want to use them. Think maybe Apple, or someone, might put out a fundamentally _Mac_ style OS -- simplified, trimmed down, limited capabilities, maybe slow, but a recognizably Finder-based OS -- on the iPad, for those who want fundamental consistency between Mac and iPad?
From: Phillip Jones on 3 Jul 2010 22:06 Richard Maine wrote: > Erilar<drache(a)chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: > >> Richard Maine<nospam(a)see.signature> wrote: > >>> As I want a general-purpose computer, I think I'll be getting a >>> Macbook when I finally give up on my existing MacBook Pro (which is >>> somewhat ill, but not yet quite ill enough that I've decided I can't >>> stand it any more). >> >> Oh, I can't imagine giving that up! > > That's because you haven't had to fight with mine. It's sort of a > hand-me-down from my daughter. I had recently bought a MacBook when my > daughter's older MacBook Pro started becomming to unreliable. She needed > something she could count on for school work. My portable was just for > when I was on trips (I have a nice iMac at home). I didn't want to buy > another new laptop just then. So we swapped. The non-pro MacBook was > enough newer than the Pro that it was a step up for her. > > The Pro I now have is mostly a pain to charge. The power connector is > half fried (my daughter was pretty hard on computers in her mid teens). > You have to "fiddle" with it a fair amount to get it to charge. It would > cost more than the machine is worth to get it repaired (amost certainly > a motherboard replacement) and I'd still have a battered (literally - it > has some pretty sizeable dents) older machine. The battery life is low > enough that it seems like I spend nearly as much time fiddling with > getting it to charge as using it; not really quite so, but it seems that > way at times. Yes, I could buy a new battery, but I'm thinking that's > more than I want to put into the machine. > >>> But if my 80-year-old mother ends up wanting something portable >>> (actually not too likely, but it could happen), I'm likely to >>> recommend an iPad for her as being cheaper, smaller, and doing what >>> she'd want to do. >> >> Well, I'm 76 now, but then I had a head start: I was a ham radio >> operator back before transisters, and I'm a good student 8-) > > My mom is not really a "computer person." She likes being able to get > email from her kids. On occasion she uses a word processor. > Thought about buying a new Battery and power supply? -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjones1(a)kimbanet.com
From: Tom Stiller on 3 Jul 2010 22:07 In article <siegman-60CFA2.18285403072010(a)bmedcfsc-srv02.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>, AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> wrote: > In article <yobpqz5wijq.fsf(a)panix3.panix.com>, > BreadWithSpam(a)fractious.net wrote: > > > I haven't gotten an iPad (yet) myself. But while those issues > > are real, they are very minor for me. Regardless of the OS's > > restrictions on filespace and such, the form factor and input > > structure would make it mainly a data consumption device (or > > for very minor edits) and at this point, I'm willing to haul > > around my MacBookPro all the time instead. But that's getting > > very tiresome and I can easily see using an iPad for going to > > client meetings and other on-the-road activities and leaving > > the MBP behind a whole lot more than I do now. We'll see. > > > > But I can easily see how the iPad's restrictions help make it > > an easier, simpler, more reliable consumer device. Just because > > those restrictions would make it less useful to me doesn't mean > > that I can't see the sense in it. > > Our "wants" seem to be similar: an iPad-like device for temporary use > while main machine stays tethered at home base. > > But I'm evidently more averse to having to learn a new set of skills and > a messy, or at least uncertain, new interface just for what should be > the trivially simple task of moving files and folders between these two > machines -- and worse, a whole new (and uncertain) mental picture of > just where my files are in the process -- especially when moving files > is a _key_ element in how you want to use them. > > Think maybe Apple, or someone, might put out a fundamentally _Mac_ > style OS -- simplified, trimmed down, limited capabilities, maybe slow, > but a recognizably Finder-based OS -- on the iPad, for those who want > fundamental consistency between Mac and iPad? There are appliances and there are tools; sometimes there's overlap in function. -- Tom Stiller PGP fingerprint = 5108 DDB2 9761 EDE5 E7E3 7BDA 71ED 6496 99C0 C7CF
From: BreadWithSpam on 4 Jul 2010 01:14 Tim Streater <timstreater(a)waitrose.com> writes: > BreadWithSpam(a)fractious.net wrote: > > Again, you don't have a filesystem (well, you do, but you don't have > > access to it) on your iOS machine. The OS doesn't allow users or > > their apps to have general access to a common filesystem. Each > > app has its own private area of the filesystem. > > Mmmmm, so that means I have to organise myself my app. If I have a > project that uses files from several different apps, that presumably > means I can't group them together. Is that right? On the iPad alone, absolutely. Which is why, if you're interested in keeping your files organized as you like, you need a different solution. I recommended elsewhere that one use Dropbox. Then organize your files as you like within your Dropbox on your desktop machine - NOT on the iPad. The primary storage for those files will be your desktop machine, mirrored on Dropbox's servers -- in exactly the hierarchical structure you want. Then, from your iPad's Dropbox app, you may find and *read* all those files as you like, via navigating Dropbox. When you want to edit, however, or if you want to read with a more specialized app, you'll have to have Dropbox send the file to the other app and the other app will then have its own new copy of the file to do with what you like - and the new copy will live within the other app's filespace. -- Plain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed.
From: Richard Maine on 4 Jul 2010 01:28
Phillip Jones <pjones1(a)kimbanet.com> wrote: > Richard Maine wrote: > > Yes, I could buy a new battery, but I'm thinking that's > > more than I want to put into the machine. > Thought about buying a new Battery and power supply? Yes. See above quote about battery. By "power supply" I suppose you are talking about the external one. There's nothing wrong with that; no point in replacing it. It is the connector on the laptop itself that is bad, and that is not at all trivial to replace. As also noted in my prior post, >> It would cost more than the machine is worth to get it repaired >> (amost certainly a motherboard replacement) -- Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience; email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment. domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain |