Particles Larger Than Galaxies Fill the Universe?
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From: Yousuf Khan on 9 Jul 2010 02:21 On 7/9/2010 3:19 AM, Raymond Yohros wrote: > please see my point. i don't mean that there are more neutrinos that > photons. what i mean is that there should be more neutrinos TRAVELING. > nuclear reactions create proportional (neutrino,photonic) outputs. > photons interact alot more with matter so they stay behind. > neutrinos keep ridding and ridding. they can be in this planet now > and in some other a few minutes later. they are not easy to stop. > photons arriving here are used and reused by baryonic matter in > all types of processes. Well, I'm not going to belabour the point, but I definitely did not read it that way. Your language is a little confusing sometimes. Sometimes it's better to just use point form. >> These particular neutrinos are not like the neutrinos we see today. >> These ones would be billions of times less massive than today's >> neutrinos. And today's neutrinos are already some of the least massive >> particles in the universe. >> >> Oh, BTW, a neutrino with a wavefunction that's 10 billion light years >> can be anywhere within that wavefunction at any instant. That means it >> can pop up anywhere within the 10 billion light years instantly. That >> means it's way faster than light. >> > > this does not make any sense! > wimps are suppose to be a lot more massive that neutrinos > and they do not exist. this are just artifacts to try > to coup with observation because of incomplete neutrino > understandings. Welcome to the weird world of quantum mechanics. The speed of light is inconsequential to it, since that speed is governed by the laws of Special Relativity. When scientists say that we have two different laws of physics, a quantum one and a relativistic one, they really mean it: they are both laws and they are incompatible with each other. It's like states laws vs. federal laws in the United States. But unlike the US laws, there isn't a hierarchy where one law takes precedence over another, here there's no Supreme Court to adjudicate. Anyways, in QM, particles don't travel through space. They exist in space inside a wavefunction, and they just pop up anywhere within the confines of the wavefunction without moving through the spaces in between. Since they're not "moving" through space, but simply appearing and disappearing from space, they don't have to worry about the speed limit. These are among the many rules that scientists already know about that can bypass the speed of light. Wormholes and the Casimir Effect are other things that can do it. Cosmic Inflation which happened just after the Big Bang also expanded the Universe faster than the speed of light. Yousuf Khan
From: Yousuf Khan on 9 Jul 2010 12:17 On 7/9/2010 5:37 PM, Charles D. Bohne wrote: > On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:21:23 +0600, Yousuf Khan<bbbl67(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> Anyways, in QM, particles don't travel through space. They exist in >> space inside a wavefunction, and they just pop up anywhere within the >> confines of the wavefunction without moving through the spaces in >> between. Since they're not "moving" through space, but simply appearing >> and disappearing from space, they don't have to worry about the speed >> limit. > > Begs the question: what is "space" really like. Maybe it has its own > wavefunction(s), and all there is could be functions within functions? > C. One of the latest theories postulates that space is nothing more than a bunch of qubits in a quantum computer. Yousuf Khan
From: Raymond Yohros on 9 Jul 2010 12:58 On Jul 8, 6:33 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/8/10 4:19 PM, Raymond Yohros wrote: > > > please see my point. i don't mean that there are more neutrinos that > > photons. what i mean is that there should be more neutrinos TRAVELING. > > nuclear reactions create proportional (neutrino,photonic) outputs. > > photons interact alot more with matter so they stay behind. > > neutrinos keep ridding and ridding. they can be in this planet now > > and in some other a few minutes later. they are not easy to stop. > > photons arriving here are used and reused by baryonic matter in > > all types of processes. > > Did you pass your English class? > Did you pass your physics class? > so what, did i say ride wrong? im terrible spelling words in any language and thats why sometimes i just write how they sound. but please correct my physics what do i have wrong? r.y
From: Raymond Yohros on 9 Jul 2010 14:12 On Jul 9, 1:21 am, Yousuf Khan <bbb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 7/9/2010 3:19 AM, Raymond Yohros wrote: > > > please see my point. i don't mean that there are more neutrinos that > > photons. what i mean is that there should be more neutrinos TRAVELING. > > nuclear reactions create proportional (neutrino,photonic) outputs. > > photons interact alot more with matter so they stay behind. > > neutrinos keep ridding and ridding. they can be in this planet now > > and in some other a few minutes later. they are not easy to stop. > > photons arriving here are used and reused by baryonic matter in > > all types of processes. > > Well, I'm not going to belabour the point, but I definitely did not read > it that way. Your language is a little confusing sometimes. Sometimes > it's better to just use point form. > i misspell the word ride. sorry for that! > > > >> These particular neutrinos are not like the neutrinos we see today > >> These ones would be billions of times less massive than today's > >> neutrinos. And today's neutrinos are already some of the least massive > >> particles in the universe. > what neutrinos are you talking about? > > >> Oh, BTW, a neutrino with a wavefunction that's 10 billion light years > >> can be anywhere within that wavefunction at any instant. That means it > >> can pop up anywhere within the 10 billion light years instantly. That > >> means it's way faster than light. > > > this does not make any sense! > > wimps are suppose to be a lot more massive that neutrinos > > and they do not exist. this are just artifacts to try > > to coup with observation because of incomplete neutrino > > understandings. > > Welcome to the weird world of quantum mechanics. The speed of light is > inconsequential to it, since that speed is governed by the laws of > Special Relativity. When scientists say that we have two different laws > of physics, a quantum one and a relativistic one, they really mean it: > they are both laws and they are incompatible with each other. It's like > states laws vs. federal laws in the United States. But unlike the US > laws, there isn't a hierarchy where one law takes precedence over > another, here there's no Supreme Court to adjudicate. > quantum cosmology is like the supreme court and the idea is to unify this two theories with elegant explanations that make sense in both the macro and micro realms. > Anyways, in QM, particles don't travel through space. They exist in > space inside a wavefunction, and they just pop up anywhere within the > confines of the wavefunction without moving through the spaces in > between. Since they're not "moving" through space, but simply appearing > and disappearing from space, they don't have to worry about the speed > limit. > yes, a square motion goes from one value to another without going through the space in between. a ramp or triangle its continuos. > > These are among the many rules that scientists already know about that > can bypass the speed of light. Wormholes and the Casimir Effect are > other things that can do it. Cosmic Inflation which happened just after > the Big Bang also expanded the Universe faster than the speed of light. > like the analogy of the folded page. if you move through a shorter spacetime you can get faster than going all the way around even at c. but that does not mean that things can move faster that light. regards r.y
From: Sam Wormley on 9 Jul 2010 14:19
On 7/9/10 11:58 AM, Raymond Yohros wrote: > On Jul 8, 6:33 pm, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 7/8/10 4:19 PM, Raymond Yohros wrote: >> >>> please see my point. i don't mean that there are more neutrinos that >>> photons. what i mean is that there should be more neutrinos TRAVELING. >>> nuclear reactions create proportional (neutrino,photonic) outputs. >>> photons interact alot more with matter so they stay behind. >>> neutrinos keep ridding and ridding. they can be in this planet now >>> and in some other a few minutes later. they are not easy to stop. >>> photons arriving here are used and reused by baryonic matter in >>> all types of processes. >> >> Did you pass your English class? >> Did you pass your physics class? >> > > so what, did i say ride wrong? > im terrible spelling words in any language > and thats why sometimes i just write how they sound. > > but please correct my physics > what do i have wrong? > > r.y What do you mean by, "there should be more neutrinos TRAVELING"? what is you source of observational data that leads you to this statement? |