Ping Bil Slowman; The global warming hoax reveiled
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From: Jan Panteltje on 1 Dec 2009 10:52 On a sunny day (Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:03:08 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote in <783e8bc3-404a-4357-9a3e-48202ba2301b(a)k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>: >> >the causes of the ice ages leads directly to the conclusion that there >> >aren't going to be any more "natural" climate cycles to understand, >> >because anthropogenic effects have overwhelmed th natural driving >> >forces. >> >> Bull, your data A is in that noise! > >One wonders why Jan thinks that. Look, even specialised scientists working years on that issue cannot agree it is above noise level. Only Bill Sloman thinks so, and some other AGW fanatics. How many sigma do you have proof of? from non cooked data? Nobody knows right? But we *do* know ice ages came and went, without us helping. Ice ages will keep coming, and will keep going. We need the energy to cope with that. 24/7 available energy at that. No climate dependent like win and sun dependent. Now you could have thought of that yourself :-)
From: Joerg on 1 Dec 2009 11:07 Uwe Hercksen wrote: > > > Joerg schrieb: > >> Bill mentioned "the glaciers aren't going to be coming back any time >> soon" which isn't right. > > Hello, > > it is not possible that the ice volume a shrinking glacier lost in > several decades is replaced in several years again. > But it is over the course of several hundred years: http://www.oeschger.unibe.ch/about/press_coverage/article_de.html?ID=182 -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: John Fields on 1 Dec 2009 11:16 On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:59:30 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman <bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote: > >The deceit is yours. You say that I claimed that one could > >" extract energy from a varying magnetic field >surrounding a conductor by wrapping a solenoid around the conductor? " > >but this was - in fact - your misunderstanding of what I actually said >- > >" Wrapping a clamp-on meter around one line means that there is >current >circulating around the clamp - the current that goes through the >selected line in one direction is matched by equal and opposite >current flowi g through the other lines in the other direction. The >coupling coefficient is unlikely to be good, but it is finite." > >The clamp-on meter is in fact an openable toroidal core, which lets >you thread one of the power comapnies wires through the centre of the >core without breaking the wire, creating a one-turn primary. --- You know that now, but your refusal to reply to: --- <QUOTE> >Wrapping a clamp-on meter around one line means that there is current >circulating around the clamp - the current that goes through the >selected line in one direction is matched by equal and opposite >current flowi g through the other lines in the other direction. The >coupling coefficient is unlikely to be good, but it is finite. --- Yeah, but so what??? What he was talking about was wrapping some turns around the conductor, like this: .. OOOOOOOOOOOOO ..---------------------- .. ..---------------------- .. OOOOOOOOOOOOO Where the dashed lines represent one of the power conductors and the 'O's represent the "some turns" wrapped around it. Do you think current will be induced in the solenoid if it's wound that way? <END QUOTE> --- Indicates that back then you were in the dark about how a clamp-on meter works, otherwise you would have simply stated that the transformer was toroidal. --- >You extract power from the primary winding by winding a secondary >around part of the toroidal core, in the usual way. --- Which is what I stated at the very beginning of the thread, and for which you now seem to want credit, Mr. Cheater. --- >The solenoid is entirely your invention. --- Nope, it was Joel's, and your disagreement with my evaluation of the impossibility of transferring power through it meant that you believed power _could_ be transferred that way until you found out it couldn't. JF
From: Jim Thompson on 1 Dec 2009 11:23 On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:06:55 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jon Kirwan wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:37:34 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Jon Kirwan wrote: [snip] >>>> Indeed! I like to also point to a book (upon which I'm now quoted on >>>> the backside proving his lack of good taste!) -- >>>> >>>> Ian Getreu's "Modeling the Bipolar Transistor" >>>> >>>> -- which is now finally again available as a Lulu reprint. >>> Wonderful! >> >> hehe. Now if the two people in the world who may care would just buy >> a copy! >> > >My wife would scold me if I got another historical book. A few years ago >I vowed to clean house so I don't occupy all the hallway closets with my >business stuff :-) > >Now would be time to market this to universities. I think that students >wanting to head for chip design should read it. Although the era of the >BJT is essentially over in many, many markets. Indeed! Though I already own a copy, I no longer do my own modeling... the foundries provide everything I need. I haven't done a purely-BJT chip in probably 10 years. Now running about 30% BiCMOS and 70% pure CMOS. [snip all the proofs that government IS THE PROBLEM] > >>>>> History is very important, and quite well documented because the Romans >>>>> were sort of perfectionists in this area. Archaeologists always came >>>>> across as honest and modest folks, at let to me. So when they find >>>>> evidence I usually believe them. And they did find evidence here, big time. >>>> I think you are making too much out of far too little. But I don't >>>> know what you see and perhaps you will be able to walk me through your >>>> path so that I get it and agree with you. I already said a couple of >>>> things bother me about the released letters and I've just today >>>> admitted one of the general areas of that. None of it changes what >>>> the knowledge I've gained in specific areas where I've spent my time. >>>> Not in the least. >>> Schnidljoch is just one example of many, of passes in the Alps that have >>> been mostly or completely free of ice in the not too distant past (Roman >>> era). There is proof of that and I have pointed that out, with link. You >>> can actually go there and look at the stuff they found. Then it got >>> colder and they became covered in thick ice, became glaciers, >>> unpassable, uninhabitable. Just like large swaths of Greenland did. Now >>> the ice begins to melt again and lots of scientists panic ;-) >>> >>> [...] >> >> Well, I suppose I need you to inform me about all this. ;) >> > >In a nutshell, this is the story of what happened (a lot of the more >detailed write-ups are in German): > >http://www.oeschger.unibe.ch/about/press_coverage/article_de.html?ID=182 > >I can almost here some of the guys from East Anglia exclaim "Oh s..t! >Why did they have to find this?" ;-) Our real problem now is that the American lamestream media are NOT COVERING THIS. Might I suggest that everyone cancel their newspaper subscriptions? Tell them, as I did, "I don't PAY to be fed leftist weenie pablum". ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
From: John Fields on 1 Dec 2009 11:29
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:17:00 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:41:47 -0600, John Fields ><jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:27:20 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman >><bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote: >> > >So you have demonstrated what Bill is to your satisfaction. Well and >good. > >Could you now just ignore him, even you are getting frustrated with >the way his evasions waste everybody's time. --- Yes, you're right. The points I made were valid and my science was clean, no matter how he chooses to rail on, so it's time to disengage. Thanks. :-) --- >What is it JT says? Something like "Let him die, alone and >forgotten". --- Something like that... JF |