From: Paul Sture on
In article <i134iv$pcs$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 07-07-2010 19:47, dorayme wrote:
> > Yes, it is a nuisance when you want to rush out, the command will
> > not be carried out but impertinently questioned! There might be a
> > way to script for save all open docs and shut all apps and ignore
> > warnings but I doubt it?
>
> What irritates me is that the "logout after ___ minutes idle" is
> completely useless. The kids constantly (and me occasionally) get
> busy with something else and the machine will alternate between
>
> - do you want to close all applications and log out?
> - the application ____ canceled logout

Holding down alt when you click on either Logout or Shutdown eliminates
that timer.

If you use X11:

For OS X 10.4 and early 10.5 versions:

defaults write com.apple.x11 no_quit_alert -boolean true

For later versions of OS X 10.5:

defaults write org.x.X11 no_quit_alert true

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From: Jolly Roger on
In article
<michelle-7D533D.09015211072010(a)reserved-multicast-range-not-delegated.e
xample.com>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <jollyroger-1E59FE.08432911072010(a)news.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyway, if this is the case, Option-Restart is not a solution for the
> > OP, since the OP specifically mentioned wanting to avoid the "save
> > before closing" dialog boxes!
>
> Control-Command-Eject

According to Apple, Control-Command-Eject quits all applications (after
giving you a chance to save changes to open documents), then restarts
the computer. So this also is not what the OP wants.

<http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343>

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From: Jolly Roger on
In article
<75406cd3-2115-4726-82c3-b9588185c91e(a)u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
laredotornado <laredotornado(a)zipmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm using Mac 10.6.3. When I want to shut down or restart, it takes a
> while because I have to answer questions from most of my applications
> like "Do you really want to close?" or "Save your work before
> closing?". Is there a way that I can restart without manually having
> to specify that I don't want to save anything and always affirming
> that, yes, I really want to close this application?
>
> Thanks, - Dave

It just occurred to me that back in classic Mac OS, there were several
extensions that allowed you to instruct the computer to automatically
click the default button in dialogs that popped up. Here are the names
of some of them:

Snap To
Alert Init
Kensington Mouseworks
USB Overdrive

The last of them, USB Overdrive, is available in Mac OS X. You might
want to check to see if that feature made it into the Mac OS X version
of USB Overdrive. If so, you might be able to use it to automatically
dismiss such dialogs.

Another option might be to use a macro / automation utility such as
QuicKeys to initiate a restart and dismiss any dialog boxes that appear.

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From: Wes Groleau on
On 07-11-2010 10:01, Paul Sture wrote:
> Wes Groleau<Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote:
>> What irritates me is that the "logout after ___ minutes idle" is
>> completely useless. The kids constantly (and me occasionally) get
>> busy with something else and the machine will alternate between
>>
>> - do you want to close all applications and log out?
>> - the application ____ canceled logout
>
> Holding down alt when you click on either Logout or Shutdown eliminates
> that timer.
>
> If you use X11:
>
> For OS X 10.4 and early 10.5 versions:
>
> defaults write com.apple.x11 no_quit_alert -boolean true
>
> For later versions of OS X 10.5:
>
> defaults write org.x.X11 no_quit_alert true

I am on 10.6 now. I'm quite confused about whether we're even talking
about the same thing. I don't want to eliminate the timer. I want the
system to honor my wishes and log out when the timer expires. A timer
to trigger a logout when no one is at the computer is STUPID if somebody
has to be at the computer to click a bunch of are-you-sure buttons.

And are you sure setting an X11 property is going to fix a problem that
occurs whether or not X11 is even installed?

Still, I might try setting those to see what happens.

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From: Wes Groleau on
On 07-11-2010 16:23, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> The alternative to not having to answer those are-you-sure questions is to
> lose the unsaved work in "dirty" documents.

Which is _exactly_ what I want. If my son decides that
what I've taught him about saving his work, and not leaving
stuff on the screen without a screen lock, and logging out
when he's done, then I WANT him to lose his changes.

He made a choice, and I want him to actually receive
what he chose. I understand the reason for those pop-ups,
but in my opinion that reason IS NOT VALID when no one has
touched mouse or keyboard for sixty minutes.

Seriously, the way the system works is such that checking
that button means “if the logged in user does nothing for
sixty minutes but is still sitting there with eyes open
and aimed at the screen, then try to persuade them to
save their work and log out.”

But that ISN'T what the label says. It says “Log out
after sixty minutes of inactivity.” And it is in the
SECURITY preferences. When I check an option, it's because
I want what the option promises. My beef is that I'm not
getting it.

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