Reminder - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community
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From: Suzanne S. Barnhill on 20 May 2010 12:56 I suspect that "better than nothing" is the best we're going to get, though I'm hoping that the "new platform infrastructure" (.NET 4.0, I gather) will perhaps improve response time. I can definitely tell a difference between these NGs with native OE and the forums using the bridge; it's more noticeable at night (when there seems to be more traffic) than early in the morning. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "LVTravel" <none(a)nothere.com> wrote in message news:eLn7AnD%23KHA.5592(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill(a)mvps.org> wrote in message > news:e9zsiZD#KHA.3840(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> But don't download the bridge yet unless there's assurance that this is >> the >> one that will work with the Answers forums. The current bridge is going >> to >> work only for MSDN, TechNet, and Expression forums. The Answers forums >> are >> going to be moved to a different "platform infrastructure" and will >> require >> a different bridge, which is supposed to become available tomorrow. >> >> -- >> Suzanne S. Barnhill >> Microsoft MVP (Word) >> Words into Type >> Fairhope, Alabama USA >> http://word.mvps.org >> >> <nntp(a)microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:O7o5%237C%23KHA.2304(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> >>> Microsoft Office Evolves Community as Part of Office 2010 Launch: >>> As you know, this is a big year for Microsoft as we are launching the >>> latest version of Office. Office 2010 is all about making it easy for >>> you to get and use Office on your terms. Office 2010 lets you work from >>> the office, from home, or at school across the PC, the Phone, and the >>> Browser. You can purchase Office 2010 from retail, from our OEM >>> manufactures when you purchase a new PC, or get it direct from >>> Microsoft, faster than ever via a new software delivery mechanism called >>> Click-To-Run. >>> >>> And, we're working hard to provide you the customer support you want, >>> when you want it. We are offering 1-year of technical support included >>> in our Office Professional 2010 SKU. We are expanding and improving our >>> community to provide free, 24/7 support. The details of this evolution >>> are outlined below, but suffice it to say, we're really excited about >>> this as it aligns with our Office 2010 vision of Office on your terms >>> >>> What is Happening? >>> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin >>> discontinuing >>> newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. >>> >>> Why? >>> As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, >>> the >>> traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the >>> past several years while customers and participants are increasingly >>> finding >>> solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites. >>> This >>> move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it >>> easier >>> for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies >>> and >>> make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through >>> improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam >>> management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by >>> encouraging a >>> healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft >>> will >>> begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums >>> technology >>> and discontinue support for newsgroups. >>> >>> In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for >>> those >>> users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the >>> newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP >>> Bridge >>> which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to >>> the >>> forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP >>> reader >>> functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up >>> the >>> NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ >>> >>> >>> When will this Happen? >>> Effective June 1, 2010 this newsgroup will be closed. >>> >>> Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup? >>> Microsoft has a large selection of forums, many of which cover either >>> the >>> same or closely related technologies to the ones found in the >>> newsgroups. >>> The forums have seen amazing growth and are an excellent place to >>> continue >>> the discussion. We recommend that you start with: >>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/officeword >>> >>> Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to >>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx >>> >>> Who Should I Contact with any Questions? >>> Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to >>> NNTP(a)microsoft.com >> > > I am currently using the bridge that is available and believe me, while it > is better than nothing it does not work well even on a fast machine. This > is really a slow system to pull the damn forums in and use them. At least > it does put all the "threads" in one location instead of the nasty web > forums where you can't see all the subjects easily along with responses.
From: Doug Robbins - Word MVP on 20 May 2010 18:10 I don't know what newsreader you are using the access the forums, but with Windows Live Mail, if you set the synchronization mode that you want (New messages only) for the forums that you want to access and then use Sync everything, the performance as you move from post to post is, as far as I can tell, identical to that when moving from post to post in the NNTP newsgroups. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP, originally posted via msnews.microsoft.com "LVTravel" <none(a)nothere.com> wrote in message news:eLn7AnD#KHA.5592(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill(a)mvps.org> wrote in message > news:e9zsiZD#KHA.3840(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> But don't download the bridge yet unless there's assurance that this is >> the >> one that will work with the Answers forums. The current bridge is going >> to >> work only for MSDN, TechNet, and Expression forums. The Answers forums >> are >> going to be moved to a different "platform infrastructure" and will >> require >> a different bridge, which is supposed to become available tomorrow. >> >> -- >> Suzanne S. Barnhill >> Microsoft MVP (Word) >> Words into Type >> Fairhope, Alabama USA >> http://word.mvps.org >> >> <nntp(a)microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:O7o5%237C%23KHA.2304(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> >>> Microsoft Office Evolves Community as Part of Office 2010 Launch: >>> As you know, this is a big year for Microsoft as we are launching the >>> latest version of Office. Office 2010 is all about making it easy for >>> you to get and use Office on your terms. Office 2010 lets you work from >>> the office, from home, or at school across the PC, the Phone, and the >>> Browser. You can purchase Office 2010 from retail, from our OEM >>> manufactures when you purchase a new PC, or get it direct from >>> Microsoft, faster than ever via a new software delivery mechanism called >>> Click-To-Run. >>> >>> And, we're working hard to provide you the customer support you want, >>> when you want it. We are offering 1-year of technical support included >>> in our Office Professional 2010 SKU. We are expanding and improving our >>> community to provide free, 24/7 support. The details of this evolution >>> are outlined below, but suffice it to say, we're really excited about >>> this as it aligns with our Office 2010 vision of Office on your terms >>> >>> What is Happening? >>> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin >>> discontinuing >>> newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. >>> >>> Why? >>> As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, >>> the >>> traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for the >>> past several years while customers and participants are increasingly >>> finding >>> solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites. >>> This >>> move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it >>> easier >>> for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate redundancies >>> and >>> make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through >>> improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam >>> management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by >>> encouraging a >>> healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft >>> will >>> begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums >>> technology >>> and discontinue support for newsgroups. >>> >>> In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for >>> those >>> users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the >>> newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP >>> Bridge >>> which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to >>> the >>> forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP >>> reader >>> functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up >>> the >>> NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ >>> >>> >>> When will this Happen? >>> Effective June 1, 2010 this newsgroup will be closed. >>> >>> Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup? >>> Microsoft has a large selection of forums, many of which cover either >>> the >>> same or closely related technologies to the ones found in the >>> newsgroups. >>> The forums have seen amazing growth and are an excellent place to >>> continue >>> the discussion. We recommend that you start with: >>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/officeword >>> >>> Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to >>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx >>> >>> Who Should I Contact with any Questions? >>> Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to >>> NNTP(a)microsoft.com >> > > I am currently using the bridge that is available and believe me, while it > is better than nothing it does not work well even on a fast machine. This > is really a slow system to pull the damn forums in and use them. At least > it does put all the "threads" in one location instead of the nasty web > forums where you can't see all the subjects easily along with responses.
From: Terry Farrell on 20 May 2010 18:33 I concur with Doug. I'm using WLM as my client and the bridge cannot be faulted for speed. First thing in the morning when they may be 80 or 100 overnight posts to sync, it takes barely two or three seconds to download them all. Perhaps the bridge was 'tuned and tested' with WLM. Terry Farrell "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill(a)mvps.org> wrote in message news:OEV3x3D#KHA.4816(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > I suspect that "better than nothing" is the best we're going to get, > though I'm hoping that the "new platform infrastructure" (.NET 4.0, I > gather) will perhaps improve response time. I can definitely tell a > difference between these NGs with native OE and the forums using the > bridge; it's more noticeable at night (when there seems to be more > traffic) than early in the morning. > > -- > Suzanne S. Barnhill > Microsoft MVP (Word) > Words into Type > Fairhope, Alabama USA > http://word.mvps.org > > "LVTravel" <none(a)nothere.com> wrote in message > news:eLn7AnD%23KHA.5592(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> >> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill(a)mvps.org> wrote in message >> news:e9zsiZD#KHA.3840(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> But don't download the bridge yet unless there's assurance that this is >>> the >>> one that will work with the Answers forums. The current bridge is going >>> to >>> work only for MSDN, TechNet, and Expression forums. The Answers forums >>> are >>> going to be moved to a different "platform infrastructure" and will >>> require >>> a different bridge, which is supposed to become available tomorrow. >>> >>> -- >>> Suzanne S. Barnhill >>> Microsoft MVP (Word) >>> Words into Type >>> Fairhope, Alabama USA >>> http://word.mvps.org >>> >>> <nntp(a)microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:O7o5%237C%23KHA.2304(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> Microsoft Office Evolves Community as Part of Office 2010 Launch: >>>> As you know, this is a big year for Microsoft as we are launching the >>>> latest version of Office. Office 2010 is all about making it easy for >>>> you to get and use Office on your terms. Office 2010 lets you work >>>> from the office, from home, or at school across the PC, the Phone, and >>>> the Browser. You can purchase Office 2010 from retail, from our OEM >>>> manufactures when you purchase a new PC, or get it direct from >>>> Microsoft, faster than ever via a new software delivery mechanism >>>> called Click-To-Run. >>>> >>>> And, we're working hard to provide you the customer support you want, >>>> when you want it. We are offering 1-year of technical support >>>> included in our Office Professional 2010 SKU. We are expanding and >>>> improving our community to provide free, 24/7 support. The details of >>>> this evolution are outlined below, but suffice it to say, we're really >>>> excited about this as it aligns with our Office 2010 vision of Office >>>> on your terms >>>> >>>> What is Happening? >>>> This message is to inform you that Microsoft will soon begin >>>> discontinuing >>>> newsgroups and transitioning users to Microsoft forums. >>>> >>>> Why? >>>> As you may know, newsgroups have existed for many years now; however, >>>> the >>>> traffic in the Microsoft newsgroups has been steadily decreasing for >>>> the >>>> past several years while customers and participants are increasingly >>>> finding >>>> solutions in the forums on Microsoft properties and third party sites. >>>> This >>>> move will unify the customer experience, centralize content, make it >>>> easier >>>> for active contributors to retain their influence, mitigate >>>> redundancies and >>>> make the content easier to find by customers and search engines through >>>> improved indexing. Additionally, forums offer a better user and spam >>>> management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by >>>> encouraging a >>>> healthy discussion in a clean community space. To this end, Microsoft >>>> will >>>> begin to progressively shift available resources to the forums >>>> technology >>>> and discontinue support for newsgroups. >>>> >>>> In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for >>>> those >>>> users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in >>>> the >>>> newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP >>>> Bridge >>>> which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to >>>> the >>>> forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP >>>> reader >>>> functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up >>>> the >>>> NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ >>>> >>>> >>>> When will this Happen? >>>> Effective June 1, 2010 this newsgroup will be closed. >>>> >>>> Where Should I go with the Closure of this Newsgroup? >>>> Microsoft has a large selection of forums, many of which cover either >>>> the >>>> same or closely related technologies to the ones found in the >>>> newsgroups. >>>> The forums have seen amazing growth and are an excellent place to >>>> continue >>>> the discussion. We recommend that you start with: >>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/officeword >>>> >>>> Should you want to visit the other Microsoft Forums, please go to >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx >>>> >>>> Who Should I Contact with any Questions? >>>> Send any questions about the process, recommended forums and timing to >>>> NNTP(a)microsoft.com >>> >> >> I am currently using the bridge that is available and believe me, while >> it is better than nothing it does not work well even on a fast machine. >> This is really a slow system to pull the damn forums in and use them. At >> least it does put all the "threads" in one location instead of the nasty >> web forums where you can't see all the subjects easily along with >> responses. >
From: LVTravel on 20 May 2010 23:27 "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" <dkr(a)REMOVECAPSmvps.org> wrote in message news:51E1CA30-305C-44B2-9116-FF078D0B7C18(a)microsoft.com... > It is no more than a blink of the eyelid here to change from one forum to > another (even with between ones that have hundreds of unread posts). > > Apparently, you will need a new bridge after to-morrow to be able to > access the Answers forums. Whether the new bridge can be used > simultaneously with the existing one (for access to the MSDN/Technet > Forums) is not yet known. > > -- As I said, I am using the bridge now and it does access Answers.en.... without any issue other than speed.
From: Doug Robbins - Word MVP on 20 May 2010 23:54
But, as I said, the speed is not an issue here. -- Hope this helps. Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my services on a paid consulting basis. Doug Robbins - Word MVP, originally posted via msnews.microsoft.com "LVTravel" <none(a)nothere.com> wrote in message news:OiI5ZWJ#KHA.208(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > "Doug Robbins - Word MVP" <dkr(a)REMOVECAPSmvps.org> wrote in message > news:51E1CA30-305C-44B2-9116-FF078D0B7C18(a)microsoft.com... >> It is no more than a blink of the eyelid here to change from one forum to >> another (even with between ones that have hundreds of unread posts). >> >> Apparently, you will need a new bridge after to-morrow to be able to >> access the Answers forums. Whether the new bridge can be used >> simultaneously with the existing one (for access to the MSDN/Technet >> Forums) is not yet known. >> >> -- > As I said, I am using the bridge now and it does access Answers.en.... > without any issue other than speed. |