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From: miso on 2 Jan 2010 03:55 On Jan 1, 9:33 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Greegor wrote: > > David: > > You said the seller wrote to somebody: > >> <quote> > >> "Hello, Please don't worry, the problem is, an another seller has > >> complaint by ebay that i'm selling the rigol oscilloscopes at a > >> dumping price" > >> He then offered to complete the original low price transaction > >> outside of ebay. > > > Has it occurred to you that this is exactly the kind of story > > that an ejected SCAMMER would tell to rope in a few > > more suckers to send them money outside > > of the aggressive protection of eBay/Paypal? > > Could be, but not my problem, I'm just passing on what was said. > Buyer-beware, as always. > If you are worried then buy from DealExtreme or some other known non-ebay > seller. > Remember, this is not a one-off seller thing, dozens and dozens of > (legitimate) ebay sellers of this scope have suddenly dissapeared. There is > somethign else going on. I have not heard of a single case of anyone being > scammed on a Rigol scope, and I can tell you I get a lot of feedback on this > issue though my blog. Doesn't mean it's safe of course. > > > How would you know if the seller is a SCAMMER or not? > > Err, not too hard. If the seller has a rep of selling the same gear > previously (ebay and other forum history can show that), and most of the > sellers have suddenly disappeared (presumably) due to ebay pulling their > auctions for some competive(?) reason, then it's more probable than not the > seller is not a scammer, they are just caught up in whatever is happening > here. > > Dave. > > -- > --------------------------------------------- > Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog & Podcast:http://www.eevblog.com Ebay exists to collect fees. They don't care who is selling the item as long as they get their cut. I suspect Rigol stopped supplying these dealers. They have a right not to sell to any dealer they don't like.
From: Jan Panteltje on 2 Jan 2010 10:08 On a sunny day (Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:44:59 -0800 (PST)) it happened "miso(a)sushi.com" <miso(a)sushi.com> wrote in <13bba92c-7810-4018-8af9-62277a0aaba7(a)m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>: >On Jan 1, 7:01�am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On a sunny day (Fri, 1 Jan 2010 05:57:24 -0800 (PST)) it happened >> "m...(a)sushi.com" <m...(a)sushi.com> wrote in >> <b1b6edcc-fbeb-439e-bd13-7a2f3b8f8...(a)a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >I was thinking of the Bitscope 100u, mostly because it is isolated >> >from the PC (less hash) and they support Linux. I have a great >> >distrust of Windows and USB due to driver issues. >> >> That seems to be only 40 meg samples / second. > >Yes, not a great scope, but I have real bench equipment. I have >nothing 12V portable. The Rigol doesn't buy me anything that I can't >get with a used Tek DSO. The 40MHz limit would be fine for my >portable purposes. A 12V to 240V converter that easily powers a scope plus some other stuff, with a plug that fits the cigatette lighter is only 35 Euro or less here. http://www.gelders.org/start.php?voedingen_en_transformatoren_spanningsomvormers_12v-230v.php
From: John Devereux on 2 Jan 2010 11:07 "miso(a)sushi.com" <miso(a)sushi.com> writes: > On Jan 1, 9:33 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Greegor wrote: >> > David: >> > You said the seller wrote to somebody: >> >> <quote> >> >> "Hello, Please don't worry, the problem is, an another seller has >> >> complaint by ebay that i'm selling the rigol oscilloscopes at a >> >> dumping price" >> >> He then offered to complete the original low price transaction >> >> outside of ebay. >> >> > Has it occurred to you that this is exactly the kind of story >> > that an ejected SCAMMER would tell to rope in a few >> > more suckers to send them money outside >> > of the aggressive protection of eBay/Paypal? >> >> Could be, but not my problem, I'm just passing on what was said. >> Buyer-beware, as always. >> If you are worried then buy from DealExtreme or some other known non-ebay >> seller. >> Remember, this is not a one-off seller thing, dozens and dozens of >> (legitimate) ebay sellers of this scope have suddenly dissapeared. There is >> somethign else going on. I have not heard of a single case of anyone being >> scammed on a Rigol scope, and I can tell you I get a lot of feedback on this >> issue though my blog. Doesn't mean it's safe of course. >> >> > How would you know if the seller is a SCAMMER or not? >> >> Err, not too hard. If the seller has a rep of selling the same gear >> previously (ebay and other forum history can show that), and most of the >> sellers have suddenly disappeared (presumably) due to ebay pulling their >> auctions for some competive(?) reason, then it's more probable than not the >> seller is not a scammer, they are just caught up in whatever is happening >> here. >> >> Dave. >> >> -- >> --------------------------------------------- >> Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog & Podcast:http://www.eevblog.com > > Ebay exists to collect fees. They don't care who is selling the item > as long as they get their cut. I suspect Rigol stopped supplying these > dealers. They have a right not to sell to any dealer they don't like. Manufacturers *are* able to excert pressure on them somehow. A friend of mine came home from the USA with 3 new PS3's just after they were released there. He put them up on ebay, but the listing was removed since it was "illegal" to sell them. -- John Devereux
From: miso on 2 Jan 2010 16:26 On Jan 2, 7:08 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On a sunny day (Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:44:59 -0800 (PST)) it happened > "m...(a)sushi.com" <m...(a)sushi.com> wrote in > <13bba92c-7810-4018-8af9-62277a0aa...(a)m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>: > > >On Jan 1, 7:01 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On a sunny day (Fri, 1 Jan 2010 05:57:24 -0800 (PST)) it happened > >> "m...(a)sushi.com" <m...(a)sushi.com> wrote in > >> <b1b6edcc-fbeb-439e-bd13-7a2f3b8f8...(a)a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>: > > >> >I was thinking of the Bitscope 100u, mostly because it is isolated > >> >from the PC (less hash) and they support Linux. I have a great > >> >distrust of Windows and USB due to driver issues. > > >> That seems to be only 40 meg samples / second. > > >Yes, not a great scope, but I have real bench equipment. I have > >nothing 12V portable. The Rigol doesn't buy me anything that I can't > >get with a used Tek DSO. The 40MHz limit would be fine for my > >portable purposes. > > A 12V to 240V converter that easily powers a scope plus some other stuff, > with a plug that fits the cigatette lighter is only 35 Euro or less here. > http://www.gelders.org/start.php?voedingen_en_transformatoren_spannin.... Those "modified sine" inverters are death to electronics, and certainly to measurements since they radiate RF hash. A true sine is substantially more money.
From: miso on 2 Jan 2010 16:34
On Jan 2, 8:07 am, John Devereux <j...(a)devereux.me.uk> wrote: > "m...(a)sushi.com" <m...(a)sushi.com> writes: > > On Jan 1, 9:33 pm, "David L. Jones" <altz...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Greegor wrote: > >> > David: > >> > You said the seller wrote to somebody: > >> >> <quote> > >> >> "Hello, Please don't worry, the problem is, an another seller has > >> >> complaint by ebay that i'm selling the rigol oscilloscopes at a > >> >> dumping price" > >> >> He then offered to complete the original low price transaction > >> >> outside of ebay. > > >> > Has it occurred to you that this is exactly the kind of story > >> > that an ejected SCAMMER would tell to rope in a few > >> > more suckers to send them money outside > >> > of the aggressive protection of eBay/Paypal? > > >> Could be, but not my problem, I'm just passing on what was said. > >> Buyer-beware, as always. > >> If you are worried then buy from DealExtreme or some other known non-ebay > >> seller. > >> Remember, this is not a one-off seller thing, dozens and dozens of > >> (legitimate) ebay sellers of this scope have suddenly dissapeared. There is > >> somethign else going on. I have not heard of a single case of anyone being > >> scammed on a Rigol scope, and I can tell you I get a lot of feedback on this > >> issue though my blog. Doesn't mean it's safe of course. > > >> > How would you know if the seller is a SCAMMER or not? > > >> Err, not too hard. If the seller has a rep of selling the same gear > >> previously (ebay and other forum history can show that), and most of the > >> sellers have suddenly disappeared (presumably) due to ebay pulling their > >> auctions for some competive(?) reason, then it's more probable than not the > >> seller is not a scammer, they are just caught up in whatever is happening > >> here. > > >> Dave. > > >> -- > >> --------------------------------------------- > >> Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog & Podcast:http://www.eevblog.com > > > Ebay exists to collect fees. They don't care who is selling the item > > as long as they get their cut. I suspect Rigol stopped supplying these > > dealers. They have a right not to sell to any dealer they don't like. > > Manufacturers *are* able to excert pressure on them somehow. A friend of > mine came home from the USA with 3 new PS3's just after they were > released there. He put them up on ebay, but the listing was removed > since it was "illegal" to sell them. > > -- > > John Devereux I'd like to see the paper trail on this. I think there is more to the story. I see stuff sold on ebay that I know has serious security concerns regarding export. [There is a New Mexico vendor that is pulling gear out of Los Alamos.] I see copyrighted literature put on CDs and sold, such as those electronics manuals that the manufacturer provides for free but arseholes put on CD to sell to stupid customers. I just don't believe ebay polices their sales to the degree you are inferring. Probably Sony told ebay the goods are counterfeit. |