Science is young [Relativity]

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From: BURT on 27 May 2010 17:41

On May 27, 1:59 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 27, 3:50 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On May 25, 9:38 am, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
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> > > On May 24, 3:25 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On May 23, 9:04 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On May 23, 4:57 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
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> > > > > > On May 23, 4:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On May 23, 4:32 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On May 23, 12:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > We should all agree that science is only a few hundred years old
> > > > > > > > > taking Galileo as its father. We understand nothing completely. The
> > > > > > > > > idea of science having complete theories is for the very distant
> > > > > > > > > future; possibly 10's to 100's of millions of years ahead..
>
> > > > > > > > that is very pesimistic view!
> > > > > > > > i think that theory is just an add on to GR
> > > > > > > > to merge it into QM and with d xperimental
> > > > > > > > ways of observation of today it can be just around the corner.
> > > > > > > > not more that 10 years ahead!
>
> > > > > > > > r.y
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> > > > > > > No. Your view is inflated. Science doesn't deserve the attitude that
> > > > > > > it knows much. Not as of now.
>
> > > > > > why dont you go and talk somewhere else if you hate
> > > > > > science so much?- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > > > I have no hatred of science just an adversion to its unfounded
> > > > > attitude that it knows a lot.
>
> > > > This is a little like saying that primates are not intelligent
> > > > creatures on earth, compared to say sea cucumbers, because their
> > > > intelligence pales in comparison with what will be exhibited in
> > > > animals 5 million years from now. In other words, everything that
> > > > exists right now is worthless. This makes Mitch feel a little better
> > > > about himself.
>
> > > maybe we should stop learning to make mitch happy!- Hide quoted text -
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> > How pesimistic is the truth of how young science is?
> > I am not making up its small age. The greatness of science is for
> > millions of years in the future. Right now we have a lot of data but
> > no knowledge or understanding.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> Burt, I believe in the science of today that we are in the stage of
> what a phenomena is, and not yet why it is the way it is.- Hide quoted text -
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Why not be objective and not inflate what science has done in its
short lifetime. Ahead of us is where the greatness lies. We have a
fantastic future but we need to admit it is not of much now.

It is matter of a proper attitude toward science. The people that have
the wrong idea and use science in that way will be corrrected by the
more objective.

An example of a great future is the fossil record collection. Right
now we have gathered fossils for about a hundred years. But this
collecting is never going to stop. This is where millions of years is
going to count. This example applies to all measurements of our
universe. We can look forward to millions of years of measurement. The
future is complete theory and measurement.

Mitch Raemsch

From: GogoJF on 27 May 2010 18:25

On May 27, 4:41 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 27, 1:59 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 27, 3:50 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 25, 9:38 am, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 24, 3:25 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 23, 9:04 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 23, 4:57 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 23, 4:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On May 23, 4:32 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 23, 12:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > We should all agree that science is only a few hundred years old
> > > > > > > > > > taking Galileo as its father. We understand nothing completely. The
> > > > > > > > > > idea of science having complete theories is for the very distant
> > > > > > > > > > future; possibly 10's to 100's of millions of years ahead.
>
> > > > > > > > > that is very pesimistic view!
> > > > > > > > > i think that theory is just an add on to GR
> > > > > > > > > to merge it into QM and with d xperimental
> > > > > > > > > ways of observation of today it can be just around the corner.
> > > > > > > > > not more that 10 years ahead!
>
> > > > > > > > > r.y
>
> > > > > > > > No. Your view is inflated. Science doesn't deserve the attitude that
> > > > > > > > it knows much. Not as of now.
>
> > > > > > > why dont you go and talk somewhere else if you hate
> > > > > > > science so much?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > I have no hatred of science just an adversion to its unfounded
> > > > > > attitude that it knows a lot.
>
> > > > > This is a little like saying that primates are not intelligent
> > > > > creatures on earth, compared to say sea cucumbers, because their
> > > > > intelligence pales in comparison with what will be exhibited in
> > > > > animals 5 million years from now. In other words, everything that
> > > > > exists right now is worthless. This makes Mitch feel a little better
> > > > > about himself.
>
> > > > maybe we should stop learning to make mitch happy!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > How pesimistic is the truth of how young science is?
> > > I am not making up its small age. The greatness of science is for
> > > millions of years in the future. Right now we have a lot of data but
> > > no knowledge or understanding.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Burt, I believe in the science of today that we are in the stage of
> > what a phenomena is, and not yet why it is the way it is.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Why not be objective and not inflate what science has done in its
> short lifetime. Ahead of us is where the greatness lies. We have a
> fantastic future but we need to admit it is not of much now.
>
> It is matter of a proper attitude toward science. The people that have
> the wrong idea and use science in that way will be corrrected by the
> more objective.
>
> An example of a great future is the fossil record collection. Right
> now we have gathered fossils for about a hundred years. But this
> collecting is never going to stop. This is where millions of years is
> going to count. This example applies to all measurements of our
> universe. We can look forward to millions of years of measurement. The
> future is complete theory and measurement.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

A measure man

From: BURT on 27 May 2010 19:01

On May 27, 3:25 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 27, 4:41 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 27, 1:59 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 27, 3:50 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 25, 9:38 am, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 24, 3:25 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On May 23, 9:04 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On May 23, 4:57 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On May 23, 4:37 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 23, 4:32 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On May 23, 12:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > We should all agree that science is only a few hundred years old
> > > > > > > > > > > taking Galileo as its father. We understand nothing completely. The
> > > > > > > > > > > idea of science having complete theories is for the very distant
> > > > > > > > > > > future; possibly 10's to 100's of millions of years ahead.
>
> > > > > > > > > > that is very pesimistic view!
> > > > > > > > > > i think that theory is just an add on to GR
> > > > > > > > > > to merge it into QM and with d xperimental
> > > > > > > > > > ways of observation of today it can be just around the corner.
> > > > > > > > > > not more that 10 years ahead!
>
> > > > > > > > > > r.y
>
> > > > > > > > > No. Your view is inflated. Science doesn't deserve the attitude that
> > > > > > > > > it knows much. Not as of now.
>
> > > > > > > > why dont you go and talk somewhere else if you hate
> > > > > > > > science so much?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > I have no hatred of science just an adversion to its unfounded
> > > > > > > attitude that it knows a lot.
>
> > > > > > This is a little like saying that primates are not intelligent
> > > > > > creatures on earth, compared to say sea cucumbers, because their
> > > > > > intelligence pales in comparison with what will be exhibited in
> > > > > > animals 5 million years from now. In other words, everything that
> > > > > > exists right now is worthless. This makes Mitch feel a little better
> > > > > > about himself.
>
> > > > > maybe we should stop learning to make mitch happy!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > How pesimistic is the truth of how young science is?
> > > > I am not making up its small age. The greatness of science is for
> > > > millions of years in the future. Right now we have a lot of data but
> > > > no knowledge or understanding.
>
> > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > Burt, I believe in the science of today that we are in the stage of
> > > what a phenomena is, and not yet why it is the way it is.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Why not be objective and not inflate what science has done in its
> > short lifetime. Ahead of us is where the greatness lies. We have a
> > fantastic future but we need to admit it is not of much now.
>
> > It is matter of a proper attitude toward science. The people that have
> > the wrong idea and use science in that way will be corrrected by the
> > more objective.
>
> > An example of a great future is the fossil record collection. Right
> > now we have gathered fossils for about a hundred years. But this
> > collecting is never going to stop. This is where millions of years is
> > going to count. This example applies to all measurements of our
> > universe. We can look forward to millions of years of measurement. The
> > future is complete theory and measurement.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> A measure man- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

We will be measuring. Of course measuring for completeness in theory
will be most important.

Mitch Raemsch

From: BURT on 27 May 2010 19:04

From: BURT on 27 May 2010 19:13

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