Smartmeter: Anyone knows how to get detailed info on them?
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From: Jim Yanik on 27 Apr 2010 23:52 Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in news:nhuet5h7s576ae3n562f55bs0i0b6d6ruf(a)4ax.com: > On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:16:33 -0500, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> > wrote: > >>Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote >>in news:tbeet5lqev8hlb202plsncusntssmjfnm2(a)4ax.com: >> >> >>> Relax, Joerg, Your cost of electricity WILL go up, WITHOUT a rate >>> increase. >>> >>> You can't fight it, >> >>well,you can,but the only practical solution is against the law. >> >>> just bend over and brace yourself, and hope that >>> will make it less painful :-) >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >> >>consider what Comrade Obama wants to do with coal-fueled electric >>power,which is ~50% of US electric supply;Cap-n-Trade would >>dramatically raise electric rates.(he's SAID he wants to bankrupt the >>coal industry..) >> >>then consider that Comrade Obama -says- he supports nuclear power...as >>long as there's safe storage for the wastes...then turns around and >>kills Yucca Mountain Repository and insitutes a NEW site search that >>will take many years to complete,so actual construction of a safe >>storage site will be a couple of DECADES away,and nuclear plants will >>not go forward. So,Comrade Obama has effectively BLOCKED new nuclear >>plants. Solar and wind will NOT make up the difference,nor will >>biofuels. >> >>End result is much higher electric rates,brownouts and >>blackouts,and/or a lowering of lifestyles.Industry will suffer,jobs >>will suffer. It also fits right in with his desire for high gasoline >>prices. (the lowering of your lifestyle) >>Our economy is closely tied to energy prices. >> >>That's Comrade Obama's "social justice". >>He's out to drag us all down to the "poor's" level. > > I'm vindictive. I think VAT and Cap & Trade are just what the > "faithful" deserve. > > I think we (those of us on the productive end of the stick) will > prevail. If not, I have my escape plan. I would suggest everyone > else develop the same. > > ...Jim Thompson How patriotic[not]; YOU may "prevail",but the US of A will not,at least not as we ave known it. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com
From: Jim Yanik on 27 Apr 2010 23:55 Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in news:451ft5pdletfidmjas14h6tm6d0ontqid2(a)4ax.com: > On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:21:06 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >>Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:16:33 -0500, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> >>>> wrote in news:tbeet5lqev8hlb202plsncusntssmjfnm2(a)4ax.com: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Relax, Joerg, Your cost of electricity WILL go up, WITHOUT a rate >>>>> increase. >>>>> >>>>> You can't fight it, >>>> well,you can,but the only practical solution is against the law. >>>> >>>>> just bend over and brace yourself, and hope that >>>>> will make it less painful :-) >>>>> >>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>> consider what Comrade Obama wants to do with coal-fueled electric >>>> power,which is ~50% of US electric supply;Cap-n-Trade would >>>> dramatically raise electric rates.(he's SAID he wants to bankrupt >>>> the coal industry..) >>>> >>>> then consider that Comrade Obama -says- he supports nuclear >>>> power...as long as there's safe storage for the wastes...then turns >>>> around and kills Yucca Mountain Repository and insitutes a NEW site >>>> search that will take many years to complete,so actual construction >>>> of a safe storage site will be a couple of DECADES away,and nuclear >>>> plants will not go forward. So,Comrade Obama has effectively >>>> BLOCKED new nuclear plants. Solar and wind will NOT make up the >>>> difference,nor will biofuels. >>>> >>>> End result is much higher electric rates,brownouts and >>>> blackouts,and/or a lowering of lifestyles.Industry will suffer,jobs >>>> will suffer. It also fits right in with his desire for high >>>> gasoline prices. (the lowering of your lifestyle) >>>> Our economy is closely tied to energy prices. >>>> >>>> That's Comrade Obama's "social justice". >>>> He's out to drag us all down to the "poor's" level. >>> >>> I'm vindictive. I think VAT and Cap & Trade are just what the >>> "faithful" deserve. >>> >>> I think we (those of us on the productive end of the stick) will >>> prevail. If not, I have my escape plan. I would suggest everyone >>> else develop the same. >>> >> >>Just remember, past a certain age (which you have exceeded ...) NZ >>requires immigrants to bring a major amount of money into the country. > > I already have that covered... did you not notice ?:-) > >>Probably so they have some assurance that the new folks won't plop >>into the welfare/health system. >> >>How's the gnat problem coming? > > No time, too busy. And rabbits I must address first :-) > > ...Jim Thompson If the US falls or turns socialist/communist,then China will eventually take over Australia and NZ. There won't be any US to stop them. Of course,you're probably counting on having passed away by that time... -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com
From: miso on 28 Apr 2010 00:20 On Apr 27, 6:43 pm, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > m...(a)sushi.com wrote: > > On Apr 27, 11:52 am, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Hello, > > >> Many of you will soon be in the same boat. Our utility has informed us > >> that we and the whole town will get the dreaded smartmeters. Whether we > >> want that or not. Obviously they have serious issues and as usual the > >> utility is stone-walling: > > >>http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_14963541 > > >> Having seen all the grief caused by, ahem, sub-optimal electronics > >> design in cars I am not all that surprised. Does anyone know where to > >> find some serious data on this problem? Or maybe even schematics & board > >> layouts of those things? > > >> BTW, we used to have a meter with LCD readout and all until years ago. > >> It eventually failed, maybe because it gets hit by the full morning sun. > >> The utility replaced it with, tada, a classic mechanical meter. Probably > >> because those simply work ... > > >> -- > >> Regards, Joerg > > >>http://www.analogconsultants.com/ > > >> "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. > >> Use another domain or send PM. > > > They can turn off the power house by house. Disaster in my opinion > > since computers use software and all software has bugs. > > > Since I got a smart meter, I've have two power interruptions in I > > guess 5 months (I don't recall when it got installed). I could go > > years without a glitch before the meter was installed. > > > I installed a double conversion UPS. It reports small outages about > > every 2 months. > > If that's happening at a lot of other places they've really got to put a > stop order on installations. That's what someone demanded on TV > yesterday, and I think he had a point there. > > -- > Regards, Joerg > > http://www.analogconsultants.com/ > > "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. > Use another domain or send PM. The glitches were very short. They were only 1 second on the UPS log, but that is as small as it registers. I was present for one glitch and heard the relay in the UPS click. I don't recall seeing anything flicker. The UPS claims mission critical blah blah blah, so maybe it reacts to very small glitches. It's an optiups true sne double conversion. Loud! Did I mention it is loud? The only nice thing about smart meters is you don't have the meter reader poking around your back yard. Otherwise, I don't trust them until some independent company claims they are accurate. KCBS TV has done a few stories on the damn meters. The stories should be on their website.
From: David L. Jones on 28 Apr 2010 01:56 Joerg wrote: > Hello, > > Many of you will soon be in the same boat. Our utility has informed us > that we and the whole town will get the dreaded smartmeters. Whether > we want that or not. Obviously they have serious issues and as usual > the utility is stone-walling: > > http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_14963541 > > Having seen all the grief caused by, ahem, sub-optimal electronics > design in cars I am not all that surprised. Does anyone know where to > find some serious data on this problem? Or maybe even schematics & > board layouts of those things? > > BTW, we used to have a meter with LCD readout and all until years ago. > It eventually failed, maybe because it gets hit by the full morning > sun. The utility replaced it with, tada, a classic mechanical meter. > Probably because those simply work ... I wonder what happens if the new gadget completely fails for, err, some mysterious reason... Do you get your electrons for free until they can replace it? Dave. -- ================================================ Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog & Podcast: http://www.eevblog.com
From: sj on 28 Apr 2010 04:00
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:56:34 +1000, "David L. Jones" <altzone(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I wonder what happens if the new gadget completely fails for, err, some >mysterious reason... Do you get your electrons for free until they can >replace it? > >Dave. From bits of information I have heard in the media about California PG&E complaints, some of the meters have failed to record and the PG&E solution is to estimate the bill from previous history. I don't have any confirmation link to cite. |