From: rickman on 2 Mar 2010 08:07 On Mar 2, 1:08 am, -jg <jim.granvi...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 2, 6:15 pm, rickman <gnu...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I'm talking about the boards. I get virtually no ringing with the > > slower edge rates. The fastest, 20 mA/FAST, setting gives pronounced > > ringing and 16 mA has some as well. They are both 2 ns or less rise > > times. At 12 ns the ringing is gone and I only see the tiny notch in > > the rising edge that I am convinced is not ringing or reflection. > > It depends on your terminology. > The notch I mention below, I would call ringing, as it > comes from a LCR+Slope model. It is effectively ringing summed onto > the slowish rise time, and is not huge, but large enough to see a > slight reverse in voltage. > > > BTW, a transmission line does not ring. You can get reflections, but > > unless there is some sort of feedback in your IO driver that is > > oscillating, you won't see true ringing with a transmission line... > > unless there is something with transmission lines that I didn't > > learn. It is often that reflections look like ringing because they > > echo several times at lower amplitude each time around. No? > > > Rick > > Just for fun, I added some guestimate numbers from what you said, and > added a probe to the driving end, and voila, guess what? > > A small notch appears, on the driving end ;) > > Which end were you probing, your end, or connector, or the customers > FPGA pin ? > > -jg The driver. Does it show up at the same time for both 8 and 12 mA drive? Rick
From: -jg on 2 Mar 2010 14:25
On Mar 3, 2:07 am, rickman <gnu...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 2, 1:08 am, -jg <jim.granvi...(a)gmail.com> > > A small notch appears, on the driving end ;) > > > Which end were you probing, your end, or connector, or the customers > > FPGA pin ? > > > -jg > > The driver. Does it show up at the same time for both 8 and 12 mA > drive? That would be by varying the slew rate in the PWL source, and yes, it comes and goes as the slew rate hits a critical threshold. Spice says the waveform at the receive end does not have that notch. -jg |