From: Rowland McDonnell on
James Dore <james.dore(a)new.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

> James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote:
>
> > Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> said:
[snip]
> > I don't see it makes much difference. People won't buy it because he
> > likes it. He's not that respected.
> >
>
> <cough> Blackberry might disagree. A significant slump in the sales of
> their touchscreen device was attributed to his execrating of it on twitter.

But the converse of that effect doesn't necessarily occur, does it?

In any case, there are very real significant security and privacy
problems with Blackberrys, aren't there?

Rowland.

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From: Woody on
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> A few, a /very/ few, are honest. I suppose Stephen Fry's one of them -
> but still, are his views really worth paying attention to in this case,
> at this time? <shrug>

Maybe not, but his views are certainly worth listening to as he has
actually used an iPad, and many others haven't.



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From: Pd on
James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote:

> On 2010-01-28 11:10:45 +0000, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) said:

[Stephen Fry]

> > It's not his "celeb status" that makes him such a good "pundit" in the
> > field, it's that he's a real interested amateur.
> >
> > You can believe a lot of what he says about smartphones, for instance,
> > because he owns and uses maybe 20 different ones, from HTC to Nokia to
> > Motorola to Apple. It's not just his Apple fanboi bias coming through,
> > but his appreciation of technology and gadgets in general and real world
> > comparison of the different products.
>
> He's not exactly in the real world then. He owns 20 phones? What kind
> of arsehole thinks that's normal behaviour?

Ah, the real world. Apparently only inhabited by lower middle class
white men with paunches and unoriginal opinions.

For some people the real world is sitting by the side of the road with a
bowl, hoping some passing stranger will give them a few grains of rice.
For others, it is flying across the Atlantic for a two hour meeting,
then flying back again.

The "real world" referred to in this instance is in comparison to the
geek-test world of technology bloggers, where number of features is more
important than usability.

It's unclear whether you think Fry is an arsehole, or whether you're
intimating that I am because I suggested that owning and using 20 phones
gives him the breadth of experience that might make his opinions worthy
of note. Whichever, your readiness to categorise in such a derogatory
way is revealing.

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From: Pd on
James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote:

> Yes. Also not so convinced about universal appeal - I personally find
> him irritating but that's me. To me, he does come over smug and
> arrogant.

Yes, he is received that way by a particular section of the public.

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Pd
From: James Jolley on
On 2010-01-28 14:45:32 +0000, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) said:

> James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-01-28 11:10:45 +0000, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) said:
>
> [Stephen Fry]
>
>>> It's not his "celeb status" that makes him such a good "pundit" in the
>>> field, it's that he's a real interested amateur.
>>>
>>> You can believe a lot of what he says about smartphones, for instance,
>>> because he owns and uses maybe 20 different ones, from HTC to Nokia to
>>> Motorola to Apple. It's not just his Apple fanboi bias coming through,
>>> but his appreciation of technology and gadgets in general and real world
>>> comparison of the different products.
>>
>> He's not exactly in the real world then. He owns 20 phones? What kind
>> of arsehole thinks that's normal behaviour?
>
> Ah, the real world. Apparently only inhabited by lower middle class
> white men with paunches and unoriginal opinions.
>
> For some people the real world is sitting by the side of the road with a
> bowl, hoping some passing stranger will give them a few grains of rice.
> For others, it is flying across the Atlantic for a two hour meeting,
> then flying back again.
>
> The "real world" referred to in this instance is in comparison to the
> geek-test world of technology bloggers, where number of features is more
> important than usability.
>
> It's unclear whether you think Fry is an arsehole, or whether you're
> intimating that I am because I suggested that owning and using 20 phones
> gives him the breadth of experience that might make his opinions worthy
> of note. Whichever, your readiness to categorise in such a derogatory
> way is revealing.

I'm not sure I like where this one's going.

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