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From: Eeyore on 30 Jul 2007 08:06 Nobody wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > > >> > Consider the impact on the environment of > >> > scrapping/recycling all those batteries every few years as well. > >> > >> Which? Scrapping or recycling? > >> > >> Any battery large enough to power a car for 250 miles is bound to get > >> recycled. > >> > >> The only reason anyone would consider the possibility of large batteries > >> being routinely scrapped is if they are intentionally trying to make the > >> figures look bad. > > > > So what is the impact of recycling huge batteries every say 3-5 years ? > > Probably not a great deal. Probably ? Today's cars have no requirement whatever for any significant partial in-service recycling at all. Just a thought. Graham
From: MooseFET on 30 Jul 2007 09:03 On Jul 30, 4:36 am, Nobody <nob...(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:26:29 +0100, Eeyore wrote: > >> > Consider the impact on the environment of > >> > scrapping/recycling all those batteries every few years as well. > > >> Which? Scrapping or recycling? > > >> Any battery large enough to power a car for 250 miles is bound to get > >> recycled. > > >> The only reason anyone would consider the possibility of large batteries > >> being routinely scrapped is if they are intentionally trying to make the > >> figures look bad. > > > So what is the impact of recycling huge batteries every say 3-5 years ? > > Probably not a great deal. > > The energy consumption is likely to be miniscule compared to what a > vehicle uses in 3-5 years. > > As for pollution: the usual metals (lead, nickel, cadmium, lithium) are > valuable enough that you are going to try to recover as much as possible > simply on economic grounds (and these aren't particularly hard to recover). Here's basically how car batteries get recycled: (1) Ship them to a 3rd world country (2) Pour the acid out on the ground (3) Make a big pile of them, pour gas on them and light it to burn off the plastic. (4) Have the women and children ccrape up want doesn't burn and put it in a big pot. (5) Chop down some rain forest trees to build a fire under the pot. (6) Have the women and children scrape the junkc that rises to the surface off. (7) Pour into molds (8) Ship recycled lead to 1st world countries. > > I don't know what else might be an issue, but it's usually the heavy > metals which are cited in anti-EV FUD. Organic pollutants are a > total non-issue if you're comparing against ICEs running on hydrocarbons.
From: Eeyore on 30 Jul 2007 09:18 MooseFET wrote: > Nobody <nob...(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > > > > As for pollution: the usual metals (lead, nickel, cadmium, lithium) are > > valuable enough that you are going to try to recover as much as possible > > simply on economic grounds (and these aren't particularly hard to recover). > > Here's basically how car batteries get recycled: > > (1) Ship them to a 3rd world country > > (2) Pour the acid out on the ground > > (3) Make a big pile of them, pour gas on them and light it to burn off > the plastic. > > (4) Have the women and children ccrape up want doesn't burn and put it > in a big pot. > > (5) Chop down some rain forest trees to build a fire under the pot. > > (6) Have the women and children scrape the junkc that rises to the > surface off. > > (7) Pour into molds > > (8) Ship recycled lead to 1st world countries. And all because of RoHS no doubt. Certainly Europeans won't touch the stuff any more. Graham
From: Gary Tait on 30 Jul 2007 15:02 Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in news:46ABDA2D.B8B4BC73(a)hotmail.com: > What's the big deal about recycling battteries ? The cost to recover the materials inside is worth more than the materials on the open market, at least in a enviromentally friendly way.
From: Eeyore on 30 Jul 2007 16:15
"J.A. Legris" wrote: > Seriously, I hardly know the vast variety of immigrants living nearby. > I suspect the same is true of you. What's that got to do with anything ? > Why should either of us consume and > pollute just to visit their home countries until we've at least tried > to know the local ones? Do you find yourself oohing and ahhing at > local architecture or scenic vistas? What does it matter if you've > seen them before? They're still just as impressive aren't they? If you > really care about the countries you visit, just send the money and > stay home. When the big crunch arrives (can you really risk assuming > otherwise?), I won't feel so much brainwashed as preadapted. You've not so much 'lost the plot' as never got it. Graham |