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From: Martin Griffith on 28 Jul 2007 20:12 On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:53:53 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:27:09 -0700, "J.A. Legris" ><jalegris(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > >>On Jul 28, 4:59 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> >>wrote: >>> gyansor...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>> > Can we now re-charge in say 10 mins? >>> >>> No. >>> >>> This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs have too many >>> limitations. >>> >>> Graham >> >>Energy wise, hybrids are only slightly better that the norm, and when >>we include recycling all those spent batteries, lousy low-temperaure >>performance and the ultimate source of the energy (coal and oil) it's >>a boondoggle. The solution is either significantly lighter vehicles >>(essentially electric bicycles with fairings), or horses. But when you >>think about it, they're unsustainable too. The only real solution is >>cutting the population of humans down by a factor of 10, and the only >>practical and "humane" way to do that is to release a virus that >>effectively sterilizes a whole generation, without prejudice. >>Bioterrorists, get to work! The alternative is involuntary extinction, >>pure and simple. Al Gore's been soft-peddling. > >Make it a virus that only infects leftist weenies and those living on >the government teat... THEN you have the answer ;-) > > ...Jim Thompson Rubbish, let the virus disable your corrupt government, then the lefties would have to get a job, less taxes needed, more production, more pollution, back to where we started. Martin
From: John Larkin on 28 Jul 2007 20:13 On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:27:09 -0700, "J.A. Legris" <jalegris(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: >On Jul 28, 4:59 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> >wrote: >> gyansor...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> > Can we now re-charge in say 10 mins? >> >> No. >> >> This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs have too many >> limitations. >> >> Graham > >Energy wise, hybrids are only slightly better that the norm, and when >we include recycling all those spent batteries, lousy low-temperaure >performance and the ultimate source of the energy (coal and oil) it's >a boondoggle. The solution is either significantly lighter vehicles >(essentially electric bicycles with fairings), or horses. But when you >think about it, they're unsustainable too. The only real solution is >cutting the population of humans down by a factor of 10, and the only >practical and "humane" way to do that is to release a virus that >effectively sterilizes a whole generation, without prejudice. >Bioterrorists, get to work! The alternative is involuntary extinction, >pure and simple. Al Gore's been soft-peddling. Ludicrous. Are you suggesting that, some Tuesday afternoon, the entire population of Earth will simultaneously die from heat stroke? Al Gore's been making $200,000 per lecture and burning vast amounts of private-jet fuel in the process. John
From: John Larkin on 28 Jul 2007 20:20 On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:52:38 +0200, Martin Griffith <mart_in_medina(a)ya___.es> wrote: >On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:34:44 -0700, in sci.electronics.design >gyansorova(a)gmail.com wrote: > >>On Jul 29, 11:09 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> >>wrote: >>> Martin Griffith wrote: >>> > gyansor...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>> > >Martin Griffith wrote: >>> > >> Eeyore wrote: >>> > >> >gyansor...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> > >> >> Can we now re-charge in say 10 mins? >>> >>> > >> >No. >>> >>> > >> >This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs have too many >>> > >> >limitations. >>> >>> > >> If they could recharge in 10 mins, the US power grid would burn out >>> >>> > >What about these? >>> >>> > >http://altairnano.com/markets_amps.html >>> >>> > That is not the point, work out how much energy it takes to move say 1 >>> > ton of metal a 100Km, with all the normal losses, like traffic lights, >>> > and going around bends in the road. >>> >>> Around 30kWh. >>> >>> > If 20 cars are recharging in say a small city, say 5Km^2, at any one >>> > time, what are the total power requirements, and who has the capacity >>> > to provide that power? >>> >>> > { fun....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV_Dh2zvwLI} >>> >>> > The ancient US electrical power distribution system would barf, and >>> > inwardly digest >>> >>> If you could recharge 30kWh in 10 mins, each recharging car is going to require >>> 180kW. 20 of those at any one time is 3.6MW. >>> >>> Graham >> >>Don't give me your problems! Give me your solutions!! What's the >>answer when the oil runs out? > >A bicycle, aromotherapy, reflexology, and a debit account with the >Bank of Scientology PLC, a chiropractor, and condoms > > >Martin And homeopathic sodium chloride and colloidal silver. John
From: Winfield on 28 Jul 2007 20:36 On Jul 28, 8:12 pm, Martin Griffith <mart_in_medina(a)ya___.es> wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:53:53 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Jim > > Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:27:09 -0700, "J.A. Legris" > ><jaleg...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > > >>On Jul 28, 4:59 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > >>wrote: > >>> gyansor...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >>> > Can we now re-charge in say 10 mins? > > >>> No. > > >>> This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs have too many > >>> limitations. > > >>> Graham > > >>Energy wise, hybrids are only slightly better that the norm, and when > >>we include recycling all those spent batteries, lousy low-temperaure > >>performance and the ultimate source of the energy (coal and oil) it's > >>a boondoggle. The solution is either significantly lighter vehicles > >>(essentially electric bicycles with fairings), or horses. But when you > >>think about it, they're unsustainable too. The only real solution is > >>cutting the population of humans down by a factor of 10, and the only > >>practical and "humane" way to do that is to release a virus that > >>effectively sterilizes a whole generation, without prejudice. > >>Bioterrorists, get to work! The alternative is involuntary extinction, > >>pure and simple. Al Gore's been soft-peddling. > > >Make it a virus that only infects leftist weenies and those living on > >the government teat... THEN you have the answer ;-) > > > ...Jim Thompson > > Rubbish, let the virus disable your corrupt government, then the > lefties would have to get a job, less taxes needed, more production, > more pollution, back to where we started. > > Martin Let me tell you Martin, the lefties do have jobs, good technology-driven capitalist jobs, and they're raising more money from more donors than the bankrupt righties. If the world was populated only with rightist weenies, as Jim would prefer, I can tell you he'd not like it.
From: Martin Griffith on 28 Jul 2007 20:37
On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:09:56 +0100, in sci.electronics.design Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >Martin Griffith wrote: > >> gyansorova(a)gmail.com wrote: >> >Martin Griffith wrote: >> >> Eeyore wrote: >> >> >gyansor...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Can we now re-charge in say 10 mins? >> >> >> >> >No. >> >> >> >> >This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs have too many >> >> >limitations. >> >> >> >> If they could recharge in 10 mins, the US power grid would burn out >> > >> >What about these? >> > >> >http://altairnano.com/markets_amps.html >> > >> That is not the point, work out how much energy it takes to move say 1 >> ton of metal a 100Km, with all the normal losses, like traffic lights, >> and going around bends in the road. > >Around 30kWh. > > >> If 20 cars are recharging in say a small city, say 5Km^2, at any one >> time, what are the total power requirements, and who has the capacity >> to provide that power? >> >> { fun.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV_Dh2zvwLI } >> >> The ancient US electrical power distribution system would barf, and >> inwardly digest > >If you could recharge 30kWh in 10 mins, each recharging car is going to require >180kW. 20 of those at any one time is 3.6MW. > >Graham And do the utilities have the capacity? Thats what I was really getting at Martin |