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From: Eeyore on 30 Jul 2007 16:17 Gary Tait wrote: > Eeyore wrote > > > What's the big deal about recycling battteries ? > > The cost to recover the materials inside is worth more than the materials > on the open market, at least in a enviromentally friendly way. Is it ? Where's the data that supports your claim ? Graham
From: mhahn on 30 Jul 2007 17:42 On Jul 28, 7:53 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)My- Web-Site.com> wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:27:09 -0700, "J.A. Legris" > > > > <jaleg...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: > >On Jul 28, 4:59 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > >wrote: > >> gyansor...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> > Can we now re-charge in say 10 mins? > > >> No. > > >> This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs have too many > >> limitations. > > >> Graham > > >Energy wise, hybrids are only slightly better that the norm, and when > >we include recycling all those spent batteries, lousy low-temperaure > >performance and the ultimate source of the energy (coal and oil) it's > >a boondoggle. The solution is either significantly lighter vehicles > >(essentially electric bicycles with fairings), or horses. But when you > >think about it, they're unsustainable too. The only real solution is > >cutting the population of humans down by a factor of 10, and the only > >practical and "humane" way to do that is to release a virus that > >effectively sterilizes a whole generation, without prejudice. > >Bioterrorists, get to work! The alternative is involuntary extinction, > >pure and simple. Al Gore's been soft-peddling. > > Make it a virus that only infects leftist weenies and those living on > the government teat... THEN you have the answer ;-) > > ...Jim Thompson > -- > | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | > | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | > | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | > | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | > | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | > | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | > > America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave That would take out the oil companies, the auto companies, the drug companies, most agri-business, and pretty much anybody who drives a car. It's going to be pretty when it's just the other bicycle radicals and me.
From: MooseFET on 30 Jul 2007 19:49 On Jul 30, 6:18 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > MooseFET wrote: > > Nobody <nob...(a)nowhere.com> wrote: > > > > As for pollution: the usual metals (lead, nickel, cadmium, lithium) are > > > valuable enough that you are going to try to recover as much as possible > > > simply on economic grounds (and these aren't particularly hard to recover). > > > Here's basically how car batteries get recycled: > > > (1) Ship them to a 3rd world country > > > (2) Pour the acid out on the ground > > > (3) Make a big pile of them, pour gas on them and light it to burn off > > the plastic. > > > (4) Have the women and children ccrape up want doesn't burn and put it > > in a big pot. > > > (5) Chop down some rain forest trees to build a fire under the pot. > > > (6) Have the women and children scrape the junkc that rises to the > > surface off. > > > (7) Pour into molds > > > (8) Ship recycled lead to 1st world countries. > > And all because of RoHS no doubt. Certainly Europeans won't touch the stuff any > more. No, it long predates RoHS. It is the result of "market forces". The only thing in the battery worth having is the lead. The rest is a disposal issue. The ability to externalize the disposal cost is what drove the recyclers overseas.
From: J.A. Legris on 30 Jul 2007 20:30 On Jul 30, 4:15 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "J.A. Legris" wrote: > > Seriously, I hardly know the vast variety of immigrants living nearby. > > I suspect the same is true of you. > > What's that got to do with anything ? > > > Why should either of us consume and > > pollute just to visit their home countries until we've at least tried > > to know the local ones? Do you find yourself oohing and ahhing at > > local architecture or scenic vistas? What does it matter if you've > > seen them before? They're still just as impressive aren't they? If you > > really care about the countries you visit, just send the money and > > stay home. When the big crunch arrives (can you really risk assuming > > otherwise?), I won't feel so much brainwashed as preadapted. > > You've not so much 'lost the plot' as never got it. > > Graham Short little attention span? Let me summarize it for you: - I said fuel consumption will never decrease much unless cars are much lighter, but even radically lighter vehicles are no long-term solution on this overpopulated planet - I also said Al Gore's contribution to the solution is to motivate the masses. Mine is to live a low-impact lifestyle and have no offspring. - You said that's "sad" - I said it's sadder that people don't seem to care about the long- term effects of overconsumption, such as taking regular vactions, when they could just read up on it or visit local "foreigners" - You said there's no substitute for a real vacation, which presumably includes visiting real foreigners - I mentioned again the possibility of visiting local "foreigners" after you ignored it - You failed to see the connection - There's your problem -- Joe
From: Jim Thompson on 30 Jul 2007 20:48
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:30:01 -0700, "J.A. Legris" <jalegris(a)sympatico.ca> wrote: [snip] > >- I said fuel consumption will never decrease much unless cars are >much lighter, but even radically lighter vehicles are no long-term >solution on this overpopulated planet Amen! I keep telling people that, and they look at me like I'm some kind of idiot. >- I also said Al Gore's contribution to the solution is to motivate >the masses. To CON the masses, and he's making a bundle doing it. >Mine is to live a low-impact lifestyle and have no >offspring. >- You said that's "sad" >- I said it's sadder that people don't seem to care about the long- >term effects of overconsumption, such as taking regular vactions, when >they could just read up on it or visit local "foreigners" >- You said there's no substitute for a real vacation, which presumably >includes visiting real foreigners >- I mentioned again the possibility of visiting local "foreigners" >after you ignored it >- You failed to see the connection >- There's your problem My own state keeps me "vacationing" forever ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | America: Land of the Free, Because of the Brave |