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From: BURT on 6 May 2010 15:11 On May 6, 12:03 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 6, 2:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 6, 11:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 6, 1:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 6, 11:46 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 6, 1:19 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 6, 8:00 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 4, 3:14 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Stephen Hawking demonstrated it in the math of the singularity. He > > > > > > > > said "General Relativity predicts its own downfall by predicting > > > > > > > > singularities." > > > > > > > > > General Relativity breaks the motion laws of the special theory. Kip > > > > > > > > Thorne made an excuse for it saying that all is alright becuase > > > > > > > > "things do not fall faster than light." But either way the motion laws > > > > > > > > of Einstein's theories are broken. > > > > > > > > I don't think you remember correctly what Kip Thorne said. After all, > > > > > > > you only remember what you read quite a while back while thumbing > > > > > > > through his book in the library. You gave me a bogus page reference, > > > > > > > to boot. > > > > > > > > Why not check what he REALLY said, rather than relying on your dim and > > > > > > > faulty memory? > > > > > > > > > No. There is a limit to acceleration to below light speed change and > > > > > > > > therefore to the gravity force itself. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Kip Thorne was the excuse maker for black hole failure. The excuse was > > > > > > that things could fall at light speed but no faster. > > > > > > Again, you probably need to find out exactly what he said, and not > > > > > rely on what you think you remember you might have read at one point > > > > > or another. > > > > > > > The problem is > > > > > > that still violates the motion laws of Special Relativity. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > So are you saying that Kip didn't say this and that I am making it up? > > > > I have the book in my bookshelves, Mitch. Last time I asked you about > > > it, you gave me a page reference for a supposed quote, and it didn't > > > appear anywhere on those pages. You then said something like you'd > > > remembered seeing it when you flipped through the book in the library > > > quite a while ago, but that you couldn't be quite sure. > > > > So, yes, I think it's very likely you're just making it up. > > > > Why would you post by bluff? > > > > > I dare you to prove that. I challenge you right now that he said it > > > > and you are going to have to find the truth of that out all on your > > > > own. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch; Gravity is the center of order in the universe- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Kip Thorne was simply the excuse maker for the failure of black hole > > theory. I challenge you. > > Empty challenge there, Mitch. You make up stuff as you go. That > doesn't make for much of a challenge.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Please demonstrate that GR is right when things will fall at light speed. Kip Thorne made that excuse. I bet you in the future what Kip Thorne said as an excuse will be recognised as one of his biggest failures. I am waiting for that to happen. How much do you want to bet that it won't? Mitch Raemsch
From: PD on 6 May 2010 15:14 On May 6, 2:11 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 6, 12:03 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 6, 2:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On May 6, 11:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 6, 1:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 6, 11:46 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 6, 1:19 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 6, 8:00 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 4, 3:14 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Hawking demonstrated it in the math of the singularity. He > > > > > > > > > said "General Relativity predicts its own downfall by predicting > > > > > > > > > singularities." > > > > > > > > > > General Relativity breaks the motion laws of the special theory. Kip > > > > > > > > > Thorne made an excuse for it saying that all is alright becuase > > > > > > > > > "things do not fall faster than light." But either way the motion laws > > > > > > > > > of Einstein's theories are broken. > > > > > > > > > I don't think you remember correctly what Kip Thorne said. After all, > > > > > > > > you only remember what you read quite a while back while thumbing > > > > > > > > through his book in the library. You gave me a bogus page reference, > > > > > > > > to boot. > > > > > > > > > Why not check what he REALLY said, rather than relying on your dim and > > > > > > > > faulty memory? > > > > > > > > > > No. There is a limit to acceleration to below light speed change and > > > > > > > > > therefore to the gravity force itself. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Kip Thorne was the excuse maker for black hole failure. The excuse was > > > > > > > that things could fall at light speed but no faster. > > > > > > > Again, you probably need to find out exactly what he said, and not > > > > > > rely on what you think you remember you might have read at one point > > > > > > or another. > > > > > > > > The problem is > > > > > > > that still violates the motion laws of Special Relativity. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > So are you saying that Kip didn't say this and that I am making it up? > > > > > I have the book in my bookshelves, Mitch. Last time I asked you about > > > > it, you gave me a page reference for a supposed quote, and it didn't > > > > appear anywhere on those pages. You then said something like you'd > > > > remembered seeing it when you flipped through the book in the library > > > > quite a while ago, but that you couldn't be quite sure. > > > > > So, yes, I think it's very likely you're just making it up. > > > > > Why would you post by bluff? > > > > > > I dare you to prove that. I challenge you right now that he said it > > > > > and you are going to have to find the truth of that out all on your > > > > > own. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch; Gravity is the center of order in the universe- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Kip Thorne was simply the excuse maker for the failure of black hole > > > theory. I challenge you. > > > Empty challenge there, Mitch. You make up stuff as you go. That > > doesn't make for much of a challenge.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Please demonstrate that GR is right when things will fall at light > speed. GR doesn't say things will. > Kip Thorne made that excuse. I don't think so. Prove that he did. > > I bet you in the future what Kip Thorne said as an excuse will be > recognised as one of his biggest failures. I am waiting for that to > happen. How much do you want to bet that it won't? How much did you earn panhandling today? I'll bet half that, so that you can still get some lunch.
From: eric gisse on 6 May 2010 15:17 PD wrote: [...] >> So are you saying that Kip didn't say this and that I am making it up? > > I have the book in my bookshelves, Mitch. Last time I asked you about > it, you gave me a page reference for a supposed quote, and it didn't > appear anywhere on those pages. You then said something like you'd > remembered seeing it when you flipped through the book in the library > quite a while ago, but that you couldn't be quite sure. > > So, yes, I think it's very likely you're just making it up. > > Why would you post by bluff? To make better hands fold. [...]
From: BURT on 6 May 2010 15:20 On May 6, 12:14 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 6, 2:11 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 6, 12:03 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 6, 2:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 6, 11:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 6, 1:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 6, 11:46 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 6, 1:19 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 6, 8:00 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 4, 3:14 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Hawking demonstrated it in the math of the singularity. He > > > > > > > > > > said "General Relativity predicts its own downfall by predicting > > > > > > > > > > singularities." > > > > > > > > > > > General Relativity breaks the motion laws of the special theory. Kip > > > > > > > > > > Thorne made an excuse for it saying that all is alright becuase > > > > > > > > > > "things do not fall faster than light." But either way the motion laws > > > > > > > > > > of Einstein's theories are broken. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you remember correctly what Kip Thorne said.. After all, > > > > > > > > > you only remember what you read quite a while back while thumbing > > > > > > > > > through his book in the library. You gave me a bogus page reference, > > > > > > > > > to boot. > > > > > > > > > > Why not check what he REALLY said, rather than relying on your dim and > > > > > > > > > faulty memory? > > > > > > > > > > > No. There is a limit to acceleration to below light speed change and > > > > > > > > > > therefore to the gravity force itself. > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Kip Thorne was the excuse maker for black hole failure. The excuse was > > > > > > > > that things could fall at light speed but no faster. > > > > > > > > Again, you probably need to find out exactly what he said, and not > > > > > > > rely on what you think you remember you might have read at one point > > > > > > > or another. > > > > > > > > > The problem is > > > > > > > > that still violates the motion laws of Special Relativity. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > So are you saying that Kip didn't say this and that I am making it up? > > > > > > I have the book in my bookshelves, Mitch. Last time I asked you about > > > > > it, you gave me a page reference for a supposed quote, and it didn't > > > > > appear anywhere on those pages. You then said something like you'd > > > > > remembered seeing it when you flipped through the book in the library > > > > > quite a while ago, but that you couldn't be quite sure. > > > > > > So, yes, I think it's very likely you're just making it up. > > > > > > Why would you post by bluff? > > > > > > > I dare you to prove that. I challenge you right now that he said it > > > > > > and you are going to have to find the truth of that out all on your > > > > > > own. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch; Gravity is the center of order in the universe- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Kip Thorne was simply the excuse maker for the failure of black hole > > > > theory. I challenge you. > > > > Empty challenge there, Mitch. You make up stuff as you go. That > > > doesn't make for much of a challenge.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Please demonstrate that GR is right when things will fall at light > > speed. > > GR doesn't say things will. > > > Kip Thorne made that excuse. > > I don't think so. Prove that he did. > > > > > I bet you in the future what Kip Thorne said as an excuse will be > > recognised as one of his biggest failures. I am waiting for that to > > happen. How much do you want to bet that it won't? > > How much did you earn panhandling today? I'll bet half that, so that > you can still get some lunch.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I challenge you to show that GR does not cause falling at light speed. I challenge Kip Thorne's excuse. How much do you want to bet that in the future you will find out you were wrong to deny what I have said? I can wait. How about you? Mitch Raemsch
From: PD on 6 May 2010 15:54
On May 6, 2:20 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 6, 12:14 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 6, 2:11 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On May 6, 12:03 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 6, 2:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 6, 11:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 6, 1:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 6, 11:46 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 6, 1:19 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 6, 8:00 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On May 4, 3:14 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Hawking demonstrated it in the math of the singularity. He > > > > > > > > > > > said "General Relativity predicts its own downfall by predicting > > > > > > > > > > > singularities." > > > > > > > > > > > > General Relativity breaks the motion laws of the special theory. Kip > > > > > > > > > > > Thorne made an excuse for it saying that all is alright becuase > > > > > > > > > > > "things do not fall faster than light." But either way the motion laws > > > > > > > > > > > of Einstein's theories are broken. > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think you remember correctly what Kip Thorne said. After all, > > > > > > > > > > you only remember what you read quite a while back while thumbing > > > > > > > > > > through his book in the library. You gave me a bogus page reference, > > > > > > > > > > to boot. > > > > > > > > > > > Why not check what he REALLY said, rather than relying on your dim and > > > > > > > > > > faulty memory? > > > > > > > > > > > > No. There is a limit to acceleration to below light speed change and > > > > > > > > > > > therefore to the gravity force itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > Kip Thorne was the excuse maker for black hole failure. The excuse was > > > > > > > > > that things could fall at light speed but no faster. > > > > > > > > > Again, you probably need to find out exactly what he said, and not > > > > > > > > rely on what you think you remember you might have read at one point > > > > > > > > or another. > > > > > > > > > > The problem is > > > > > > > > > that still violates the motion laws of Special Relativity.. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > So are you saying that Kip didn't say this and that I am making it up? > > > > > > > I have the book in my bookshelves, Mitch. Last time I asked you about > > > > > > it, you gave me a page reference for a supposed quote, and it didn't > > > > > > appear anywhere on those pages. You then said something like you'd > > > > > > remembered seeing it when you flipped through the book in the library > > > > > > quite a while ago, but that you couldn't be quite sure. > > > > > > > So, yes, I think it's very likely you're just making it up. > > > > > > > Why would you post by bluff? > > > > > > > > I dare you to prove that. I challenge you right now that he said it > > > > > > > and you are going to have to find the truth of that out all on your > > > > > > > own. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch; Gravity is the center of order in the universe- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Kip Thorne was simply the excuse maker for the failure of black hole > > > > > theory. I challenge you. > > > > > Empty challenge there, Mitch. You make up stuff as you go. That > > > > doesn't make for much of a challenge.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Please demonstrate that GR is right when things will fall at light > > > speed. > > > GR doesn't say things will. > > > > Kip Thorne made that excuse. > > > I don't think so. Prove that he did. > > > > I bet you in the future what Kip Thorne said as an excuse will be > > > recognised as one of his biggest failures. I am waiting for that to > > > happen. How much do you want to bet that it won't? > > > How much did you earn panhandling today? I'll bet half that, so that > > you can still get some lunch.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I challenge you to show that GR does not cause falling at light speed. > I challenge Kip Thorne's excuse. How much do you want to bet that in > the future you will find out you were wrong to deny what I have said? > I can wait. How about you? > > Mitch Raemsch You're acting a little like the paranoid schizophrenic dubbed Magnetic who was on a while ago demanding that it be proven to him that the LHC was safe, and he was advocating that everyone at CERN be shot until someone would take the time to try to dispel his demons. Mitch, you won't get very far in life, let alone physics, by casting fabricated assertions and then demanding that the assertions be proven wrong. PD |