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From: mpc755 on 22 Mar 2010 16:22 On Mar 22, 4:10 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 22, 2:20 pm, john <vega...(a)accesscomm.ca> wrote: > > > On Mar 22, 1:12 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Mar 21, 2:31 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Admit it, PD, you don't have the brain needed to explain anything. > > > Your only 'talent' is in sidestepping the logical requests of others, > > > and running-down those who do have a brain. Give your opposing > > > 'theory' of what gravity is, or shut up. NoEinstein > > > Hey, that sounds like an idea. > > > Explain how you think gravity works, PD. > > Make it short and simple so a public school > > kid could understand it. > > Sure. Space is not flat. Straight lines that start out parallel are > not parallel for very long in our universe. Because the state of the aether is determined by its connections with the matter. > They are only parallel on > very short scales, such as the very short scales for bridges and > buildings, but not at all on the scales between planets. If we > actually build a triangle out of straight beams on that time scale, we > will find that the angles of the triangle do not add up to 180 > degrees, although they get very, very close to that on the scale of > bridges and buildings. Because the aether is displaced by the matter. > Euclidean geometry says it's exact, but > Euclidean geometry does not give the answers we see in the real > universe. If your public school teacher tells you that the angles of a > triangle add up to 180 degrees in our universe, the teacher has told > you a *lie*. > The teacher needs to qualify the statement by stating to the students that it must be assumed the triangle is at rest with respect to the aether. > This means that even things that are traveling in straight lines and > initially parallel to each other, with no external forces on them, > will soon diverge or converge. We can trace such straight lines with, > for example, light beams, which always travel in straight lines. And > we can see parallel light rays from distant galaxies bend toward each > other and cross, because it leaves a distinctive image just like a > lens would, even though there's no material lens between here and > there. > Because light waves propagate with respect to the aether. > What makes space not flat is matter and energy. Matter and aether. > Where there is a lot > of matter The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the matter. Where there is a lot of matter the state of the aether is less at rest then when there is less matter. > and energy, there the space is less flat. Further away from > mass and energy, the space is flatter, but it never gets completely > flat before it starts to get close to another clump of matter and > energy and starts to get more unflat again. > before it starts to get close to another clump of matter and [aether] and starts to get more unflat again. > We can calculate how unflat space is, if we know all the matter and > energy in the region. matter and aether. > To do this we use the same G that Newton put in > his equations, but we use a different equation instead. And if we know > how unflat space is, then we can calculate how fast parallel lines > will converge in that space, and therefore we can tell how fast > parallel light rays will converge or diverge in that region of space. > And if we actually do that calculation, we find that it agrees > spectacularly well with how convergent or divergent the light rays > actually are. This tell us that our calculation is right, and that the > connection between mass and energy and the unflatness of space is > right. > > We can do this for all sorts of things other than light, too. It gets > the right answer for everything we've tried where we have a real clear > knowledge of the mass and energy in the area. > > Now, a public school kid can certainly understand the above. In order > to *believe* what he understands, the kid will have to look up some of > the experimental measurements, so that he will say, "Sonofagun, it > really works that way." There will be some idiots, though, who will > understand the above but say "Bullshit. I don't believe it, and you > can't make me look at the measurements, so to hell with you." There > will be other poor fools who can't even read and understand the above > paragraphs that are understandable by a public school student -- > there's not much one can do about those poor fools. > The students will especially understand the above when it is mentioned to the the aether is displaced by the matter.
From: BURT on 22 Mar 2010 17:24 On Mar 22, 12:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 22, 3:20 pm, john <vega...(a)accesscomm.ca> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 1:12 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Mar 21, 2:31 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Admit it, PD, you don't have the brain needed to explain anything. > > > Your only 'talent' is in sidestepping the logical requests of others, > > > and running-down those who do have a brain. Give your opposing > > > 'theory' of what gravity is, or shut up. NoEinstein > > > Hey, that sounds like an idea. > > > Explain how you think gravity works, PD. > > Make it short and simple so a public school > > kid could understand it. > > > Do it for both of us. > > > john > > For example, use an analogy of a bowling ball and a tub of water. > Explain to the students the bowling ball represents the Earth and the > water represents the aether. Place the bowling ball into the tub of > water. Remove the bowling ball. Note to the students that a void does > not exist in the water. Explain how the water applies pressure towards > the bowling ball. > > Explain if the bowling ball consisted of millions of individual > particles separated by springs the water would apply pressure on and > throughout the bowling ball. > > The pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth is > gravity.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The aether waves can collapse. Where then do they go? Mitch Raemsch
From: PD on 22 Mar 2010 17:24 On Mar 22, 3:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 22, 4:10 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 22, 2:20 pm, john <vega...(a)accesscomm.ca> wrote: > > > > On Mar 22, 1:12 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Mar 21, 2:31 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Admit it, PD, you don't have the brain needed to explain anything. > > > > Your only 'talent' is in sidestepping the logical requests of others, > > > > and running-down those who do have a brain. Give your opposing > > > > 'theory' of what gravity is, or shut up. NoEinstein > > > > Hey, that sounds like an idea. > > > > Explain how you think gravity works, PD. > > > Make it short and simple so a public school > > > kid could understand it. > > > Sure. Space is not flat. Straight lines that start out parallel are > > not parallel for very long in our universe. > > Because the state of the aether is determined by its connections with > the matter. > > > They are only parallel on > > very short scales, such as the very short scales for bridges and > > buildings, but not at all on the scales between planets. If we > > actually build a triangle out of straight beams on that time scale, we > > will find that the angles of the triangle do not add up to 180 > > degrees, although they get very, very close to that on the scale of > > bridges and buildings. > > Because the aether is displaced by the matter. > > > Euclidean geometry says it's exact, but > > Euclidean geometry does not give the answers we see in the real > > universe. If your public school teacher tells you that the angles of a > > triangle add up to 180 degrees in our universe, the teacher has told > > you a *lie*. > > The teacher needs to qualify the statement by stating to the students > that it must be assumed the triangle is at rest with respect to the > aether. > > > This means that even things that are traveling in straight lines and > > initially parallel to each other, with no external forces on them, > > will soon diverge or converge. We can trace such straight lines with, > > for example, light beams, which always travel in straight lines. And > > we can see parallel light rays from distant galaxies bend toward each > > other and cross, because it leaves a distinctive image just like a > > lens would, even though there's no material lens between here and > > there. > > Because light waves propagate with respect to the aether. > > > What makes space not flat is matter and energy. > > Matter and aether. > > > Where there is a lot > > of matter > > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the > matter. Where there is a lot of matter the state of the aether is less > at rest then when there is less matter. > > > and energy, there the space is less flat. Further away from > > mass and energy, the space is flatter, but it never gets completely > > flat before it starts to get close to another clump of matter and > > energy and starts to get more unflat again. > > before it starts to get close to another clump of matter and [aether] > and starts to get more unflat again. > > > We can calculate how unflat space is, if we know all the matter and > > energy in the region. > > matter and aether. > > > > > To do this we use the same G that Newton put in > > his equations, but we use a different equation instead. And if we know > > how unflat space is, then we can calculate how fast parallel lines > > will converge in that space, and therefore we can tell how fast > > parallel light rays will converge or diverge in that region of space. > > And if we actually do that calculation, we find that it agrees > > spectacularly well with how convergent or divergent the light rays > > actually are. This tell us that our calculation is right, and that the > > connection between mass and energy and the unflatness of space is > > right. > > > We can do this for all sorts of things other than light, too. It gets > > the right answer for everything we've tried where we have a real clear > > knowledge of the mass and energy in the area. > > > Now, a public school kid can certainly understand the above. In order > > to *believe* what he understands, the kid will have to look up some of > > the experimental measurements, so that he will say, "Sonofagun, it > > really works that way." There will be some idiots, though, who will > > understand the above but say "Bullshit. I don't believe it, and you > > can't make me look at the measurements, so to hell with you." There > > will be other poor fools who can't even read and understand the above > > paragraphs that are understandable by a public school student -- > > there's not much one can do about those poor fools. > > The students will especially understand the above when it is mentioned > to the the aether is displaced by the matter. All this from the guy who was thinking that Observers look out the windows of GPS satellites at the distant stars.
From: mpc755 on 22 Mar 2010 17:28 On Mar 22, 5:24 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 22, 3:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 22, 4:10 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 22, 2:20 pm, john <vega...(a)accesscomm.ca> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 22, 1:12 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Mar 21, 2:31 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Admit it, PD, you don't have the brain needed to explain anything.. > > > > > Your only 'talent' is in sidestepping the logical requests of others, > > > > > and running-down those who do have a brain. Give your opposing > > > > > 'theory' of what gravity is, or shut up. NoEinstein > > > > > Hey, that sounds like an idea. > > > > > Explain how you think gravity works, PD. > > > > Make it short and simple so a public school > > > > kid could understand it. > > > > Sure. Space is not flat. Straight lines that start out parallel are > > > not parallel for very long in our universe. > > > Because the state of the aether is determined by its connections with > > the matter. > > > > They are only parallel on > > > very short scales, such as the very short scales for bridges and > > > buildings, but not at all on the scales between planets. If we > > > actually build a triangle out of straight beams on that time scale, we > > > will find that the angles of the triangle do not add up to 180 > > > degrees, although they get very, very close to that on the scale of > > > bridges and buildings. > > > Because the aether is displaced by the matter. > > > > Euclidean geometry says it's exact, but > > > Euclidean geometry does not give the answers we see in the real > > > universe. If your public school teacher tells you that the angles of a > > > triangle add up to 180 degrees in our universe, the teacher has told > > > you a *lie*. > > > The teacher needs to qualify the statement by stating to the students > > that it must be assumed the triangle is at rest with respect to the > > aether. > > > > This means that even things that are traveling in straight lines and > > > initially parallel to each other, with no external forces on them, > > > will soon diverge or converge. We can trace such straight lines with, > > > for example, light beams, which always travel in straight lines. And > > > we can see parallel light rays from distant galaxies bend toward each > > > other and cross, because it leaves a distinctive image just like a > > > lens would, even though there's no material lens between here and > > > there. > > > Because light waves propagate with respect to the aether. > > > > What makes space not flat is matter and energy. > > > Matter and aether. > > > > Where there is a lot > > > of matter > > > The state of the aether is determined by its connections with the > > matter. Where there is a lot of matter the state of the aether is less > > at rest then when there is less matter. > > > > and energy, there the space is less flat. Further away from > > > mass and energy, the space is flatter, but it never gets completely > > > flat before it starts to get close to another clump of matter and > > > energy and starts to get more unflat again. > > > before it starts to get close to another clump of matter and [aether] > > and starts to get more unflat again. > > > > We can calculate how unflat space is, if we know all the matter and > > > energy in the region. > > > matter and aether. > > > > To do this we use the same G that Newton put in > > > his equations, but we use a different equation instead. And if we know > > > how unflat space is, then we can calculate how fast parallel lines > > > will converge in that space, and therefore we can tell how fast > > > parallel light rays will converge or diverge in that region of space. > > > And if we actually do that calculation, we find that it agrees > > > spectacularly well with how convergent or divergent the light rays > > > actually are. This tell us that our calculation is right, and that the > > > connection between mass and energy and the unflatness of space is > > > right. > > > > We can do this for all sorts of things other than light, too. It gets > > > the right answer for everything we've tried where we have a real clear > > > knowledge of the mass and energy in the area. > > > > Now, a public school kid can certainly understand the above. In order > > > to *believe* what he understands, the kid will have to look up some of > > > the experimental measurements, so that he will say, "Sonofagun, it > > > really works that way." There will be some idiots, though, who will > > > understand the above but say "Bullshit. I don't believe it, and you > > > can't make me look at the measurements, so to hell with you." There > > > will be other poor fools who can't even read and understand the above > > > paragraphs that are understandable by a public school student -- > > > there's not much one can do about those poor fools. > > > The students will especially understand the above when it is mentioned > > to the the aether is displaced by the matter. > > All this from the guy who was thinking that Observers look out the > windows of GPS satellites at the distant stars. The atomic clock could have been in the space station. What the atomic clock exists in is not important. Just that it ticks at a different rate than a similar clock on the Earth. What is important in the analogy is the Observer orbiting the Earth where the atomic clock exists will determine one year has passed based upon measurements of the distant stars. The measurements of the distant stars, used to determine the Earth has made a complete orbit of the Sun, is more accurate in determining one year has passed then the atomic clock on the space station which ticks off 360 days. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The C-60 molecule describes a very small region of the wave. This very small region enters and exits a single slit in a double slit experiment. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is based upon the aether pressure in which it exists. The pressure associated with the aether displaced by a massive object is gravity.
From: mpc755 on 22 Mar 2010 17:59
On Mar 22, 5:24 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mar 22, 12:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 22, 3:20 pm, john <vega...(a)accesscomm.ca> wrote: > > > > On Mar 22, 1:12 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:> On Mar 21, 2:31 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Admit it, PD, you don't have the brain needed to explain anything. > > > > Your only 'talent' is in sidestepping the logical requests of others, > > > > and running-down those who do have a brain. Give your opposing > > > > 'theory' of what gravity is, or shut up. NoEinstein > > > > Hey, that sounds like an idea. > > > > Explain how you think gravity works, PD. > > > Make it short and simple so a public school > > > kid could understand it. > > > > Do it for both of us. > > > > john > > > For example, use an analogy of a bowling ball and a tub of water. > > Explain to the students the bowling ball represents the Earth and the > > water represents the aether. Place the bowling ball into the tub of > > water. Remove the bowling ball. Note to the students that a void does > > not exist in the water. Explain how the water applies pressure towards > > the bowling ball. > > > Explain if the bowling ball consisted of millions of individual > > particles separated by springs the water would apply pressure on and > > throughout the bowling ball. > > > The pressure associated with the aether displaced by the Earth is > > gravity.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > The aether waves can collapse. Where then do they go? > > Mitch Raemsch Matter and aether are different states of the same material. To try and simplify the discussion I have named this material 'mather'. When a photon, as a directed/pointed aether wave, is detected it collapses into a quantum of mather. In the photoelectric effect experiment quanta of mather physically enter and occupy three dimensional space within the metal causing electrons to be emitted. When a photon is detected by the human eye the wave collapses and is detected as a quantum of mather. The quantum of mather does not continue to exist in the human body as a quantum of mather but transitions back to its base state. This transition back to the base state is detected as heat. Heat is the physical effect of aether waves. 'Responses of retinal rods to single photons' http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1281447/#reference-sec So, much of what we detect in terms of quanta is different states of mather. Photons, quanta of mather, physically enters and occupies three dimensional space in the photoelectric effect experiment causing electrons to be emitted. Electrons are detected as particles of mather. Photons enter and interact with the human body and are radiated outwardly as aether waves. When the aether waves interact with matter they can be detected as heat. |