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From: PD on 23 Mar 2010 16:29 On Mar 23, 3:15 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 4:12 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 23, 3:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > When Newton wrote his second law, now written F=ma, about 350 years > > > > > > ago, he did not say HOW a force causes a mass to accelerate. He just > > > > > > noted that if there is a force on an object, then it does accelerate. > > > > > > There are lots of physical laws like this, and that's just fine.. What > > > > > > we have here is the explanation that when there is matter and energy > > > > > > present, then space does become unflat. > > > > > > That is not an explanation. That is a statement. How does space become > > > > > 'unflat'. What occurs physically to the physical space to cause it to > > > > > become 'unflat'? How does matter physically cause physical space to > > > > > become 'unflat'? > > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > > > For any physical law in existence, you can always ask "but how does it > > > > > > do that?" or "but WHY does it do that?" > > > > > > I am explaining to you how it does that. > > > > > No, you've made a statement that includes a contradiction. Space does > > > > not change location when matter occupies it. Since it does not change > > > > location, it is not displaced, by definition of "displace". > > > > Three dimensional space does not change location. > > > That's right. That's what I said. Thank you. > > > > Three dimensional > > > space is a mathematical construct. > > > No, it isn't, and I don't have the foggiest idea where you got that > > idea. Space is physical, for the reasons I've already described to > > you, and which you've apparently already forgotten in a few minutes. > > Physical space is displaced by matter. I see that you insist on repeating ridiculous statements, under the supposition that if you repeat them long enough, you will drown out the objections and it will become true. 7 + 19 = 35. Let's try repeating that. > > > Don't be ridiculous. Now you have to INVENT a distinction between > > space and physical space so that you can say one is not displaced and > > the other is. > > > To a physicist and to third graders, space is physical. > > If you are having trouble with this because it gets in the way of your > > bonehead statements, then I suggest you ask a third grader. > > How do you answer the 3rd grader who asks how space becomes unflat? I tell them that physics does not answer all why or how questions. It builds models that describe nature, not why nature is this way and not another way. > > Matter displaces physical space. > > Matter displaces aether. > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter.
From: mpc755 on 23 Mar 2010 16:31 On Mar 23, 4:29 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 3:15 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:12 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 23, 3:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > When Newton wrote his second law, now written F=ma, about 350 years > > > > > > > ago, he did not say HOW a force causes a mass to accelerate. He just > > > > > > > noted that if there is a force on an object, then it does accelerate. > > > > > > > There are lots of physical laws like this, and that's just fine. What > > > > > > > we have here is the explanation that when there is matter and energy > > > > > > > present, then space does become unflat. > > > > > > > That is not an explanation. That is a statement. How does space become > > > > > > 'unflat'. What occurs physically to the physical space to cause it to > > > > > > become 'unflat'? How does matter physically cause physical space to > > > > > > become 'unflat'? > > > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > > > > For any physical law in existence, you can always ask "but how does it > > > > > > > do that?" or "but WHY does it do that?" > > > > > > > I am explaining to you how it does that. > > > > > > No, you've made a statement that includes a contradiction. Space does > > > > > not change location when matter occupies it. Since it does not change > > > > > location, it is not displaced, by definition of "displace". > > > > > Three dimensional space does not change location. > > > > That's right. That's what I said. Thank you. > > > > > Three dimensional > > > > space is a mathematical construct. > > > > No, it isn't, and I don't have the foggiest idea where you got that > > > idea. Space is physical, for the reasons I've already described to > > > you, and which you've apparently already forgotten in a few minutes. > > > Physical space is displaced by matter. > > I see that you insist on repeating ridiculous statements, under the > supposition that if you repeat them long enough, you will drown out > the objections and it will become true. > > 7 + 19 = 35. Let's try repeating that. > > > > > > Don't be ridiculous. Now you have to INVENT a distinction between > > > space and physical space so that you can say one is not displaced and > > > the other is. > > > > To a physicist and to third graders, space is physical. > > > If you are having trouble with this because it gets in the way of your > > > bonehead statements, then I suggest you ask a third grader. > > > How do you answer the 3rd grader who asks how space becomes unflat? > > I tell them that physics does not answer all why or how questions. It > builds models that describe nature, not why nature is this way and not > another way. > You tell them you do not know. Matter displaces physical space. Matter displaces aether. Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter.
From: PD on 23 Mar 2010 16:45 On Mar 23, 3:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 4:29 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:15 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 23, 4:12 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > When Newton wrote his second law, now written F=ma, about 350 years > > > > > > > > ago, he did not say HOW a force causes a mass to accelerate.. He just > > > > > > > > noted that if there is a force on an object, then it does accelerate. > > > > > > > > There are lots of physical laws like this, and that's just fine. What > > > > > > > > we have here is the explanation that when there is matter and energy > > > > > > > > present, then space does become unflat. > > > > > > > > That is not an explanation. That is a statement. How does space become > > > > > > > 'unflat'. What occurs physically to the physical space to cause it to > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? How does matter physically cause physical space to > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? > > > > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > > > > > For any physical law in existence, you can always ask "but how does it > > > > > > > > do that?" or "but WHY does it do that?" > > > > > > > > I am explaining to you how it does that. > > > > > > > No, you've made a statement that includes a contradiction. Space does > > > > > > not change location when matter occupies it. Since it does not change > > > > > > location, it is not displaced, by definition of "displace". > > > > > > Three dimensional space does not change location. > > > > > That's right. That's what I said. Thank you. > > > > > > Three dimensional > > > > > space is a mathematical construct. > > > > > No, it isn't, and I don't have the foggiest idea where you got that > > > > idea. Space is physical, for the reasons I've already described to > > > > you, and which you've apparently already forgotten in a few minutes.. > > > > Physical space is displaced by matter. > > > I see that you insist on repeating ridiculous statements, under the > > supposition that if you repeat them long enough, you will drown out > > the objections and it will become true. > > > 7 + 19 = 35. Let's try repeating that. > > > > > Don't be ridiculous. Now you have to INVENT a distinction between > > > > space and physical space so that you can say one is not displaced and > > > > the other is. > > > > > To a physicist and to third graders, space is physical. > > > > If you are having trouble with this because it gets in the way of your > > > > bonehead statements, then I suggest you ask a third grader. > > > > How do you answer the 3rd grader who asks how space becomes unflat? > > > I tell them that physics does not answer all why or how questions. It > > builds models that describe nature, not why nature is this way and not > > another way. > > You tell them you do not know. Yes, that's right. > > Matter displaces physical space. > > Matter displaces aether. > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. Well, that's what you say because you feel it is more important to have an answer to any question by a 3rd grader in a simple sentence, even though it does not allow you to do any calculations or compare with quantitative measurements. Science disagrees on the relative value of that. But if having answers for third graders for all questions is what floats your boat, go for it. Just don't confuse it with science.
From: mpc755 on 23 Mar 2010 16:51 On Mar 23, 4:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 3:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:29 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 23, 3:15 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:12 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When Newton wrote his second law, now written F=ma, about 350 years > > > > > > > > > ago, he did not say HOW a force causes a mass to accelerate. He just > > > > > > > > > noted that if there is a force on an object, then it does accelerate. > > > > > > > > > There are lots of physical laws like this, and that's just fine. What > > > > > > > > > we have here is the explanation that when there is matter and energy > > > > > > > > > present, then space does become unflat. > > > > > > > > > That is not an explanation. That is a statement. How does space become > > > > > > > > 'unflat'. What occurs physically to the physical space to cause it to > > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? How does matter physically cause physical space to > > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > > > > > > For any physical law in existence, you can always ask "but how does it > > > > > > > > > do that?" or "but WHY does it do that?" > > > > > > > > > I am explaining to you how it does that. > > > > > > > > No, you've made a statement that includes a contradiction. Space does > > > > > > > not change location when matter occupies it. Since it does not change > > > > > > > location, it is not displaced, by definition of "displace". > > > > > > > Three dimensional space does not change location. > > > > > > That's right. That's what I said. Thank you. > > > > > > > Three dimensional > > > > > > space is a mathematical construct. > > > > > > No, it isn't, and I don't have the foggiest idea where you got that > > > > > idea. Space is physical, for the reasons I've already described to > > > > > you, and which you've apparently already forgotten in a few minutes. > > > > > Physical space is displaced by matter. > > > > I see that you insist on repeating ridiculous statements, under the > > > supposition that if you repeat them long enough, you will drown out > > > the objections and it will become true. > > > > 7 + 19 = 35. Let's try repeating that. > > > > > > Don't be ridiculous. Now you have to INVENT a distinction between > > > > > space and physical space so that you can say one is not displaced and > > > > > the other is. > > > > > > To a physicist and to third graders, space is physical. > > > > > If you are having trouble with this because it gets in the way of your > > > > > bonehead statements, then I suggest you ask a third grader. > > > > > How do you answer the 3rd grader who asks how space becomes unflat? > > > > I tell them that physics does not answer all why or how questions. It > > > builds models that describe nature, not why nature is this way and not > > > another way. > > > You tell them you do not know. > > Yes, that's right. > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > Matter displaces aether. > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > Well, that's what you say because you feel it is more important to > have an answer to any question by a 3rd grader in a simple sentence, > even though it does not allow you to do any calculations or compare > with quantitative measurements. Science disagrees on the relative > value of that. > > But if having answers for third graders for all questions is what > floats your boat, go for it. Just don't confuse it with science. I would explain to the 3rd graders that astronauts practice for space walks in a huge tank of water. They practice over and over again to the point they probably don't even realize they are in a tank of water. Now, when the astronauts are actually performing the space walk in space, think of them as being in a really, really, huge tank of aether. Space is not an empty void. Space consists of a material called aether. Aether is displaced by matter, just like a bowling ball placed into a tank of water. To help the 3rd graders understand this I would have a bowling ball and a tank of water. I would put the bowling ball into the tank of water and explain the the 3rd graders how the water is displaced by the bowling ball. I would then remove the bowling ball from the tank and explain how the water fills in where the bowling ball was. I would explain this as the pressure the water exerts on the bowling ball. I would explain to the students that this is similar to what occurs with the Earth and the aether. Gravity is the pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the Earth.
From: PD on 23 Mar 2010 16:57
On Mar 23, 3:51 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 4:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 23, 4:29 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:15 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:12 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > When Newton wrote his second law, now written F=ma, about 350 years > > > > > > > > > > ago, he did not say HOW a force causes a mass to accelerate. He just > > > > > > > > > > noted that if there is a force on an object, then it does accelerate. > > > > > > > > > > There are lots of physical laws like this, and that's just fine. What > > > > > > > > > > we have here is the explanation that when there is matter and energy > > > > > > > > > > present, then space does become unflat. > > > > > > > > > > That is not an explanation. That is a statement. How does space become > > > > > > > > > 'unflat'. What occurs physically to the physical space to cause it to > > > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? How does matter physically cause physical space to > > > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? > > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter.. > > > > > > > > > > > For any physical law in existence, you can always ask "but how does it > > > > > > > > > > do that?" or "but WHY does it do that?" > > > > > > > > > > I am explaining to you how it does that. > > > > > > > > > No, you've made a statement that includes a contradiction. Space does > > > > > > > > not change location when matter occupies it. Since it does not change > > > > > > > > location, it is not displaced, by definition of "displace". > > > > > > > > Three dimensional space does not change location. > > > > > > > That's right. That's what I said. Thank you. > > > > > > > > Three dimensional > > > > > > > space is a mathematical construct. > > > > > > > No, it isn't, and I don't have the foggiest idea where you got that > > > > > > idea. Space is physical, for the reasons I've already described to > > > > > > you, and which you've apparently already forgotten in a few minutes. > > > > > > Physical space is displaced by matter. > > > > > I see that you insist on repeating ridiculous statements, under the > > > > supposition that if you repeat them long enough, you will drown out > > > > the objections and it will become true. > > > > > 7 + 19 = 35. Let's try repeating that. > > > > > > > Don't be ridiculous. Now you have to INVENT a distinction between > > > > > > space and physical space so that you can say one is not displaced and > > > > > > the other is. > > > > > > > To a physicist and to third graders, space is physical. > > > > > > If you are having trouble with this because it gets in the way of your > > > > > > bonehead statements, then I suggest you ask a third grader. > > > > > > How do you answer the 3rd grader who asks how space becomes unflat? > > > > > I tell them that physics does not answer all why or how questions. It > > > > builds models that describe nature, not why nature is this way and not > > > > another way. > > > > You tell them you do not know. > > > Yes, that's right. > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > Matter displaces aether. > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > Well, that's what you say because you feel it is more important to > > have an answer to any question by a 3rd grader in a simple sentence, > > even though it does not allow you to do any calculations or compare > > with quantitative measurements. Science disagrees on the relative > > value of that. > > > But if having answers for third graders for all questions is what > > floats your boat, go for it. Just don't confuse it with science. > > I would explain to the 3rd graders that astronauts practice for space > walks in a huge tank of water. They practice over and over again to > the point they probably don't even realize they are in a tank of > water. > > Now, when the astronauts are actually performing the space walk in > space, think of them as being in a really, really, huge tank of > aether. Space is not an empty void. Space consists of a material > called aether. > > Aether is displaced by matter, just like a bowling ball placed into a > tank of water. > > To help the 3rd graders understand this I would have a bowling ball > and a tank of water. > > I would put the bowling ball into the tank of water and explain the > the 3rd graders how the water is displaced by the bowling ball. > > I would then remove the bowling ball from the tank and explain how the > water fills in where the bowling ball was. > > I would explain this as the pressure the water exerts on the bowling > ball. > > I would explain to the students that this is similar to what occurs > with the Earth and the aether. > > Gravity is the pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the Earth. Lovely story. Very plausible. Like a good fairy tale. |