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From: mpc755 on 23 Mar 2010 17:05 On Mar 23, 4:57 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 3:51 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 23, 3:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:29 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:15 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:12 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > When Newton wrote his second law, now written F=ma, about 350 years > > > > > > > > > > > ago, he did not say HOW a force causes a mass to accelerate. He just > > > > > > > > > > > noted that if there is a force on an object, then it does accelerate. > > > > > > > > > > > There are lots of physical laws like this, and that's just fine. What > > > > > > > > > > > we have here is the explanation that when there is matter and energy > > > > > > > > > > > present, then space does become unflat. > > > > > > > > > > > That is not an explanation. That is a statement. How does space become > > > > > > > > > > 'unflat'. What occurs physically to the physical space to cause it to > > > > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? How does matter physically cause physical space to > > > > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? > > > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > For any physical law in existence, you can always ask "but how does it > > > > > > > > > > > do that?" or "but WHY does it do that?" > > > > > > > > > > > I am explaining to you how it does that. > > > > > > > > > > No, you've made a statement that includes a contradiction.. Space does > > > > > > > > > not change location when matter occupies it. Since it does not change > > > > > > > > > location, it is not displaced, by definition of "displace". > > > > > > > > > Three dimensional space does not change location. > > > > > > > > That's right. That's what I said. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > Three dimensional > > > > > > > > space is a mathematical construct. > > > > > > > > No, it isn't, and I don't have the foggiest idea where you got that > > > > > > > idea. Space is physical, for the reasons I've already described to > > > > > > > you, and which you've apparently already forgotten in a few minutes. > > > > > > > Physical space is displaced by matter. > > > > > > I see that you insist on repeating ridiculous statements, under the > > > > > supposition that if you repeat them long enough, you will drown out > > > > > the objections and it will become true. > > > > > > 7 + 19 = 35. Let's try repeating that. > > > > > > > > Don't be ridiculous. Now you have to INVENT a distinction between > > > > > > > space and physical space so that you can say one is not displaced and > > > > > > > the other is. > > > > > > > > To a physicist and to third graders, space is physical. > > > > > > > If you are having trouble with this because it gets in the way of your > > > > > > > bonehead statements, then I suggest you ask a third grader. > > > > > > > How do you answer the 3rd grader who asks how space becomes unflat? > > > > > > I tell them that physics does not answer all why or how questions.. It > > > > > builds models that describe nature, not why nature is this way and not > > > > > another way. > > > > > You tell them you do not know. > > > > Yes, that's right. > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > > Matter displaces aether. > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > Well, that's what you say because you feel it is more important to > > > have an answer to any question by a 3rd grader in a simple sentence, > > > even though it does not allow you to do any calculations or compare > > > with quantitative measurements. Science disagrees on the relative > > > value of that. > > > > But if having answers for third graders for all questions is what > > > floats your boat, go for it. Just don't confuse it with science. > > > I would explain to the 3rd graders that astronauts practice for space > > walks in a huge tank of water. They practice over and over again to > > the point they probably don't even realize they are in a tank of > > water. > > > Now, when the astronauts are actually performing the space walk in > > space, think of them as being in a really, really, huge tank of > > aether. Space is not an empty void. Space consists of a material > > called aether. > > > Aether is displaced by matter, just like a bowling ball placed into a > > tank of water. > > > To help the 3rd graders understand this I would have a bowling ball > > and a tank of water. > > > I would put the bowling ball into the tank of water and explain the > > the 3rd graders how the water is displaced by the bowling ball. > > > I would then remove the bowling ball from the tank and explain how the > > water fills in where the bowling ball was. > > > I would explain this as the pressure the water exerts on the bowling > > ball. > > > I would explain to the students that this is similar to what occurs > > with the Earth and the aether. > > > Gravity is the pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the Earth. > > Lovely story. Very plausible. > Like a good fairy tale. I would explain to the 3rd graders that there is not right or wrong in science. Science is about correct and incorrect. What is correct today might not be considered to be correct tomorrow. Aether Displacement is the most correct explanation for gravity, to date. If this was a high school science class I would explain to them the how QM is very, very, very, incorrect. I would explain to them that some people were so incorrect that they thought the future determined the past. How in 'mainstream' QM they couldn't even figure out a C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit experiment. How QMrs invented all sorts of crazy experiments and dubbed them 'delayed choice' and 'quantum eraser' experiments because the QMrs didn't understand a particle travels a single path and waves propagate available paths. I will refer to these days as the dark ages of understanding what occurs physically in nature in Quantum Physics.
From: PD on 23 Mar 2010 17:34 On Mar 23, 4:05 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 4:57 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:51 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 23, 4:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:29 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:15 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:12 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Newton wrote his second law, now written F=ma, about 350 years > > > > > > > > > > > > ago, he did not say HOW a force causes a mass to accelerate. He just > > > > > > > > > > > > noted that if there is a force on an object, then it does accelerate. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are lots of physical laws like this, and that's just fine. What > > > > > > > > > > > > we have here is the explanation that when there is matter and energy > > > > > > > > > > > > present, then space does become unflat. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is not an explanation. That is a statement. How does space become > > > > > > > > > > > 'unflat'. What occurs physically to the physical space to cause it to > > > > > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? How does matter physically cause physical space to > > > > > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? > > > > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For any physical law in existence, you can always ask "but how does it > > > > > > > > > > > > do that?" or "but WHY does it do that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > I am explaining to you how it does that. > > > > > > > > > > > No, you've made a statement that includes a contradiction. Space does > > > > > > > > > > not change location when matter occupies it. Since it does not change > > > > > > > > > > location, it is not displaced, by definition of "displace". > > > > > > > > > > Three dimensional space does not change location. > > > > > > > > > That's right. That's what I said. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > Three dimensional > > > > > > > > > space is a mathematical construct. > > > > > > > > > No, it isn't, and I don't have the foggiest idea where you got that > > > > > > > > idea. Space is physical, for the reasons I've already described to > > > > > > > > you, and which you've apparently already forgotten in a few minutes. > > > > > > > > Physical space is displaced by matter. > > > > > > > I see that you insist on repeating ridiculous statements, under the > > > > > > supposition that if you repeat them long enough, you will drown out > > > > > > the objections and it will become true. > > > > > > > 7 + 19 = 35. Let's try repeating that. > > > > > > > > > Don't be ridiculous. Now you have to INVENT a distinction between > > > > > > > > space and physical space so that you can say one is not displaced and > > > > > > > > the other is. > > > > > > > > > To a physicist and to third graders, space is physical. > > > > > > > > If you are having trouble with this because it gets in the way of your > > > > > > > > bonehead statements, then I suggest you ask a third grader. > > > > > > > > How do you answer the 3rd grader who asks how space becomes unflat? > > > > > > > I tell them that physics does not answer all why or how questions. It > > > > > > builds models that describe nature, not why nature is this way and not > > > > > > another way. > > > > > > You tell them you do not know. > > > > > Yes, that's right. > > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > > > Matter displaces aether. > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > Well, that's what you say because you feel it is more important to > > > > have an answer to any question by a 3rd grader in a simple sentence, > > > > even though it does not allow you to do any calculations or compare > > > > with quantitative measurements. Science disagrees on the relative > > > > value of that. > > > > > But if having answers for third graders for all questions is what > > > > floats your boat, go for it. Just don't confuse it with science. > > > > I would explain to the 3rd graders that astronauts practice for space > > > walks in a huge tank of water. They practice over and over again to > > > the point they probably don't even realize they are in a tank of > > > water. > > > > Now, when the astronauts are actually performing the space walk in > > > space, think of them as being in a really, really, huge tank of > > > aether. Space is not an empty void. Space consists of a material > > > called aether. > > > > Aether is displaced by matter, just like a bowling ball placed into a > > > tank of water. > > > > To help the 3rd graders understand this I would have a bowling ball > > > and a tank of water. > > > > I would put the bowling ball into the tank of water and explain the > > > the 3rd graders how the water is displaced by the bowling ball. > > > > I would then remove the bowling ball from the tank and explain how the > > > water fills in where the bowling ball was. > > > > I would explain this as the pressure the water exerts on the bowling > > > ball. > > > > I would explain to the students that this is similar to what occurs > > > with the Earth and the aether. > > > > Gravity is the pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the Earth. > > > Lovely story. Very plausible. > > Like a good fairy tale. > > I would explain to the 3rd graders that there is not right or wrong in > science. Science is about correct and incorrect. What is correct today > might not be considered to be correct tomorrow. > > Aether Displacement is the most correct explanation for gravity, to > date. > > If this was a high school science class I would explain to them the > how QM is very, very, very, incorrect. I would explain to them that > some people were so incorrect that they thought the future determined > the past. How in 'mainstream' QM they couldn't even figure out a C-60 > molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit experiment. > How QMrs invented all sorts of crazy experiments and dubbed them > 'delayed choice' and 'quantum eraser' experiments because the QMrs > didn't understand a particle travels a single path and waves propagate > available paths. > > I will refer to these days as the dark ages of understanding what > occurs physically in nature in Quantum Physics. Sounds even more like a fairy tale. Now with demons. Nothing to do with science though.
From: mpc755 on 23 Mar 2010 17:50 On Mar 23, 5:34 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 4:05 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:57 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 23, 3:51 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:29 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:15 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:12 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:56 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When Newton wrote his second law, now written F=ma, about 350 years > > > > > > > > > > > > > ago, he did not say HOW a force causes a mass to accelerate. He just > > > > > > > > > > > > > noted that if there is a force on an object, then it does accelerate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are lots of physical laws like this, and that's just fine. What > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have here is the explanation that when there is matter and energy > > > > > > > > > > > > > present, then space does become unflat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is not an explanation. That is a statement. How does space become > > > > > > > > > > > > 'unflat'. What occurs physically to the physical space to cause it to > > > > > > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? How does matter physically cause physical space to > > > > > > > > > > > > become 'unflat'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For any physical law in existence, you can always ask "but how does it > > > > > > > > > > > > > do that?" or "but WHY does it do that?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am explaining to you how it does that. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you've made a statement that includes a contradiction. Space does > > > > > > > > > > > not change location when matter occupies it. Since it does not change > > > > > > > > > > > location, it is not displaced, by definition of "displace". > > > > > > > > > > > Three dimensional space does not change location. > > > > > > > > > > That's right. That's what I said. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > Three dimensional > > > > > > > > > > space is a mathematical construct. > > > > > > > > > > No, it isn't, and I don't have the foggiest idea where you got that > > > > > > > > > idea. Space is physical, for the reasons I've already described to > > > > > > > > > you, and which you've apparently already forgotten in a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > Physical space is displaced by matter. > > > > > > > > I see that you insist on repeating ridiculous statements, under the > > > > > > > supposition that if you repeat them long enough, you will drown out > > > > > > > the objections and it will become true. > > > > > > > > 7 + 19 = 35. Let's try repeating that. > > > > > > > > > > Don't be ridiculous. Now you have to INVENT a distinction between > > > > > > > > > space and physical space so that you can say one is not displaced and > > > > > > > > > the other is. > > > > > > > > > > To a physicist and to third graders, space is physical. > > > > > > > > > If you are having trouble with this because it gets in the way of your > > > > > > > > > bonehead statements, then I suggest you ask a third grader. > > > > > > > > > How do you answer the 3rd grader who asks how space becomes unflat? > > > > > > > > I tell them that physics does not answer all why or how questions. It > > > > > > > builds models that describe nature, not why nature is this way and not > > > > > > > another way. > > > > > > > You tell them you do not know. > > > > > > Yes, that's right. > > > > > > > Matter displaces physical space. > > > > > > > Matter displaces aether. > > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > > Well, that's what you say because you feel it is more important to > > > > > have an answer to any question by a 3rd grader in a simple sentence, > > > > > even though it does not allow you to do any calculations or compare > > > > > with quantitative measurements. Science disagrees on the relative > > > > > value of that. > > > > > > But if having answers for third graders for all questions is what > > > > > floats your boat, go for it. Just don't confuse it with science. > > > > > I would explain to the 3rd graders that astronauts practice for space > > > > walks in a huge tank of water. They practice over and over again to > > > > the point they probably don't even realize they are in a tank of > > > > water. > > > > > Now, when the astronauts are actually performing the space walk in > > > > space, think of them as being in a really, really, huge tank of > > > > aether. Space is not an empty void. Space consists of a material > > > > called aether. > > > > > Aether is displaced by matter, just like a bowling ball placed into a > > > > tank of water. > > > > > To help the 3rd graders understand this I would have a bowling ball > > > > and a tank of water. > > > > > I would put the bowling ball into the tank of water and explain the > > > > the 3rd graders how the water is displaced by the bowling ball. > > > > > I would then remove the bowling ball from the tank and explain how the > > > > water fills in where the bowling ball was. > > > > > I would explain this as the pressure the water exerts on the bowling > > > > ball. > > > > > I would explain to the students that this is similar to what occurs > > > > with the Earth and the aether. > > > > > Gravity is the pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the Earth. > > > > Lovely story. Very plausible. > > > Like a good fairy tale. > > > I would explain to the 3rd graders that there is not right or wrong in > > science. Science is about correct and incorrect. What is correct today > > might not be considered to be correct tomorrow. > > > Aether Displacement is the most correct explanation for gravity, to > > date. > > > If this was a high school science class I would explain to them the > > how QM is very, very, very, incorrect. I would explain to them that > > some people were so incorrect that they thought the future determined > > the past. How in 'mainstream' QM they couldn't even figure out a C-60 > > molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit experiment. > > How QMrs invented all sorts of crazy experiments and dubbed them > > 'delayed choice' and 'quantum eraser' experiments because the QMrs > > didn't understand a particle travels a single path and waves propagate > > available paths. > > > I will refer to these days as the dark ages of understanding what > > occurs physically in nature in Quantum Physics. > > Sounds even more like a fairy tale. Now with demons. > Nothing to do with science though. I would tell the high school students that there are those who still believe the future determines the past. They choose to believe a C-60 molecule will enter one slit or multiple slits depending on there being detectors at the exits to the slits when the C-60 molecule gets there, in the future. That should get a good laugh. Then I will explain to them how Louis de Broglie explained how the C-60 molecule has an associated physical wave. I will explain how just like gravity is the pressure associated with the aether displaced by matter, the C-60 molecule displaces the aether also. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the displacement wave in the aether enters and exits the available slits. In order to represents this as an analogy I would explain the behaviors of a boat and its bow wave. I will refer to articles having to do with frictionless superfluids. 'Frictionless supersolid a step closer' http://www.physorg.com/news185201084.html "Superfluidity and superconductivity cause particles to move without friction. Koos Gubbels investigated under what conditions such particles keep moving endlessly without losing energy, like a swimmer who takes one mighty stroke and then keeps gliding forever along the swimming pool." I will explain to the students regardless of the 'swimmer' being the Earth or a C-60 molecule the interaction of the object and the aether is frictionless. Just like the 'swimmer' displaces the water, so does the Earth and the C-60 molecule. Just like the 'swimmer' will create a displacement wave, if the object is moving fast enough relative to the aether it displaces the object too will have an associated displacement wave which can be detected. The associated aether displacement wave of the C-60 molecule is detected by the alteration in the direction the C-60 molecule travels upon exiting the slit in a double slit experiment. Similar to how the direction a boat travels can be altered by its bow wave exiting multiple slits and interacting with the boat. You enter the class room and begin to discuss how the future determines the past and how wave function probabilities are physical and how space is 'unflat' but does not move and how you do not understand what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity. Do you still insist on the existence of gravitons or have you moved past that one and now insist on the existence of gravity quanta?
From: PD on 23 Mar 2010 18:01 On Mar 23, 4:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > You enter the class room and begin to discuss how the future > determines the past Yup, and then I show the experimental evidence, so they can judge for themselves. Very few of them choose to disbelieve the evidence. > and how wave function probabilities are physical Wave functions are physical. Probabilities are numerical results you get from calculating the behavior of wave functions. I can't help it if you have trouble with the words. > and how space is 'unflat' but does not move Yes. > and how you do not > understand what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity. Yes. > Do you > still insist on the existence of gravitons or have you moved past that > one and now insist on the existence of gravity quanta? I've never insisted on the existence of gravitons, which is the term for gravity quanta. As I told you, they are considered likely, but we don't have experimental evidence for them yet.
From: mpc755 on 23 Mar 2010 18:08
On Mar 23, 6:01 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 4:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > You enter the class room and begin to discuss how the future > > determines the past > > Yup, and then I show the experimental evidence, so they can judge for > themselves. Very few of them choose to disbelieve the evidence. > Any experiment you provide as evidence can be explained as waves propagating available paths and particles traveling a single path. This will also show your state of delusional denial. > > and how wave function probabilities are physical > > Wave functions are physical. Probabilities are numerical results you > get from calculating the behavior of wave functions. I can't help it > if you have trouble with the words. > > > and how space is 'unflat' but does not move > > Yes. > Then that will be the first time. > > and how you do not > > understand what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity. > > Yes. > This will also be the first time you explained it. > > Do you > > still insist on the existence of gravitons or have you moved past that > > one and now insist on the existence of gravity quanta? > > I've never insisted on the existence of gravitons, which is the term > for gravity quanta. As I told you, they are considered likely, but we > don't have experimental evidence for them yet. Because gravity is the pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. |