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From: PD on 26 Mar 2010 10:06 On Mar 26, 8:42 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 26, 9:08 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 25, 5:52 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 25, 6:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 25, 4:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 25, 5:49 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Why try to understand absurd nonsense? > > > > > > Describing a wave as propagating the available paths and a particle as > > > > > traveling a single path is absurd nonsense? > > > > > There are no such things as true particles and true waves in nature.. > > > > Instead, there are quantum objects, which are different from either.. > > > > > Do you have a model involving true particles and true waves that > > > > accurately makes any predictions of measurable phenomena? > > > > In Aether Displacement, particles travel single paths and waves > > > propagate available paths. > > > Since what you wrote below this doesn't address my question, I suppose > > the answer is no. > > In AD, a photon consists of a wave and a particle. Both physically > exist at all times. And there is STILL no model of yours that accurately makes any predictions of measurable phenomena. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave > > "A wave is a disturbance that propagates through space and time, > usually with transference of energy. A mechanical wave is a wave that > propagates or travels through a medium due to the restoring forces it > produces upon deformation." And you'll notice there is nothing in that description about taking all paths. Now if you want to make up some absurd nonsense about waves, that's up to you. > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/particle > > "2. Physics. > a. one of the extremely small constituents of matter, as an atom or > nucleus. > b. an elementary particle, quark, or gluon. > c. a body in which the internal motion is negligible." > > I would add: > > d. A self contained entity which travels a single path. Perhaps YOU would add that, but you'll notice you're the only one that would add such absurd nonsense. Furthermore, there are no objects in nature that satisfy that definition. > > Wave-particle duality: Waves propagate the available paths and a > particle travels a single path. > First of all, that description is absurd nonsense. Secondly, what you've described does not pertain to the term "wave-particle duality" which is already in use in physics and which means something completely different. If you find it satisfying to steal terms from physics and attach absurd nonsense descriptions to them, I suppose you do what you have to do. Just stop pretending it's science.
From: mpc755 on 26 Mar 2010 10:15 On Mar 26, 10:06 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 26, 8:42 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 26, 9:08 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 25, 5:52 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 25, 6:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 25, 4:59 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 5:49 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why try to understand absurd nonsense? > > > > > > > Describing a wave as propagating the available paths and a particle as > > > > > > traveling a single path is absurd nonsense? > > > > > > There are no such things as true particles and true waves in nature. > > > > > Instead, there are quantum objects, which are different from either. > > > > > > Do you have a model involving true particles and true waves that > > > > > accurately makes any predictions of measurable phenomena? > > > > > In Aether Displacement, particles travel single paths and waves > > > > propagate available paths. > > > > Since what you wrote below this doesn't address my question, I suppose > > > the answer is no. > > > In AD, a photon consists of a wave and a particle. Both physically > > exist at all times. > > And there is STILL no model of yours that accurately makes any > predictions of measurable phenomena. > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave > > > "A wave is a disturbance that propagates through space and time, > > usually with transference of energy. A mechanical wave is a wave that > > propagates or travels through a medium due to the restoring forces it > > produces upon deformation." > > And you'll notice there is nothing in that description about taking > all paths. Now if you want to make up some absurd nonsense about > waves, that's up to you. > > > > >http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/particle > > > "2. Physics. > > a. one of the extremely small constituents of matter, as an atom or > > nucleus. > > b. an elementary particle, quark, or gluon. > > c. a body in which the internal motion is negligible." > > > I would add: > > > d. A self contained entity which travels a single path. > > Perhaps YOU would add that, but you'll notice you're the only one that > would add such absurd nonsense. Furthermore, there are no objects in > nature that satisfy that definition. > > > > > Wave-particle duality: Waves propagate the available paths and a > > particle travels a single path. > > First of all, that description is absurd nonsense. Secondly, what > you've described does not pertain to the term "wave-particle duality" > which is already in use in physics and which means something > completely different. > > If you find it satisfying to steal terms from physics and attach > absurd nonsense descriptions to them, I suppose you do what you have > to do. Just stop pretending it's science. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie "This research culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving particle or object had an associated wave." "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case of an external field acting on the particle." "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the defined by ai exp(i:Ái=~) with ai and Ái real. internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is located." de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. For example, in the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment There are waves propagating both the red and blue paths towards D0. One of the downgraded photon 'particles' is traveling either the red or blue path towards D0. The lens causes the waves to create interference which alters the direction the particle travels. One set of downgraded photons is creating one of the interference patterns at D0 and the other set of downgraded photons is creating the other. It's all very easy to understand once you realize 'delayed-choice', 'quantum eraser', and the future determining the past is simply misinterpreting what is occurring in nature. In the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment When the downgraded photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, the original photons momentum is maintained. This means the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. We will describe one of the photons as being the 'up' photon and the other photon as being the 'down' photon. One of the downgraded photons travels either the red or blue path towards D0 and the other photon travels either the red or blue path towards the prism. There are physical waves in the aether propagating both the red and blue paths. The aether waves propagating towards D0 interact with the lens and create interference prior to reaching D0. The aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels prior to reaching D0. There are actually two interference patterns being created at D0. One associated with the 'up' photons when they arrive at D0 and the other interference pattern associated with the 'down' photons when they arrive at D0. Both 'up' and 'down' photons are reflected by BSa and arrive at D3. Since there is a single path towards D3 there is nothing for the wave in the aether to interfere with and there is no interference pattern and since it is not determined if it is an 'up' or 'down' photon being detected at D3 there is no way to distinguish between the photons arriving at D0 which interference pattern each photon belongs to. The same for photons reflected by BSb and arrive at D4. Photons which pass through BSa and are reflected by BSc and arrive at D1 are either 'up' or 'down' photons but not both. If 'up' photons arrive at D1 then 'down' photons arrive at D2. The opposite occurs for photons which pass through BSb. Photons which pass through BSa and pass through BSb and arrive at D1 are all either 'up' or 'down' photons. If all 'up' photons arrive at D1 then all 'down' photons arrive at D2. Since the physical waves in the aether traveling both the red and blue paths are combined prior to D1 and D2 the aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels. Since all 'up' photons arrive at one of the detectors and all 'down' photons arrive at the other an interference pattern is created which reflects back to the interference both sets of photons are creating at D0. Figures 3 and 4 here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/9903/9903047v1.pdf Show the interference pattern of the 'up' and 'down' photons. If you were to combine the two images and add the peaks together and add the valleys together you would have the interference pattern of the original photon. This is evidence the downgraded photon pair maintain the original photons momentum and have opposite angular momentums. Nothing is erased. There is no delayed choice. Physical waves in the aether are traveling both the red and blue paths and when the paths are combined the waves create interference which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Experiments which are evidence of Aether Displacement: Experiment #1: Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the interference patterns created at D0. Experiment #2: Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Your inability to physically explain the following is evidence you feign hypothesis: - The future determining the past - Virtual particles which exist out of nothing - Conservation of momentum does not apply to a downgraded photon pair - A C-60 molecule can enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits simultaneously without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in momentum. - Matter causes physical space to be 'unflat' but not move The following are the most correct physical explanations to date: - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - The aether displaced by the matter which are the plates extends past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the plates forces the plates together - Conservation of momentum does apply to a downgraded photon pair. When a photon is detected its wave collapses which determines its spin. In order for the original photons momentum to be conserved, the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - Physical space is displaced by matter. Aether is displaced by matter.
From: mpc755 on 26 Mar 2010 10:20 On Mar 26, 10:06 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 26, 8:42 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Wave-particle duality: Waves propagate the available paths and a > > particle travels a single path. > > First of all, that description is absurd nonsense. Secondly, what > you've described does not pertain to the term "wave-particle duality" > which is already in use in physics and which means something > completely different. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie "This research culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving particle or object had an associated wave." 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case of an external field acting on the particle." "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the defined by ai exp(i:Ái=~) with ai and Ái real. internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is located." de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. In AD, the external field is the aether. In a double slit experiment the particle occupies a very small region of the wave and enters and exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits the available slits. For example, in the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment There are waves propagating both the red and blue paths towards D0. One of the downgraded photon 'particles' is traveling either the red or blue path towards D0. The lens causes the waves to create interference which alters the direction the particle travels. One set of downgraded photons is creating one of the interference patterns at D0 and the other set of downgraded photons is creating the other. It's all very easy to understand once you realize 'delayed-choice', 'quantum eraser', and the future determining the past is simply misinterpreting what is occurring in nature. In the image on the right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment When the downgraded photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, the original photons momentum is maintained. This means the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. We will describe one of the photons as being the 'up' photon and the other photon as being the 'down' photon. One of the downgraded photons travels either the red or blue path towards D0 and the other photon travels either the red or blue path towards the prism. There are physical waves in the aether propagating both the red and blue paths. The aether waves propagating towards D0 interact with the lens and create interference prior to reaching D0. The aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels prior to reaching D0. There are actually two interference patterns being created at D0. One associated with the 'up' photons when they arrive at D0 and the other interference pattern associated with the 'down' photons when they arrive at D0. Both 'up' and 'down' photons are reflected by BSa and arrive at D3. Since there is a single path towards D3 there is nothing for the wave in the aether to interfere with and there is no interference pattern and since it is not determined if it is an 'up' or 'down' photon being detected at D3 there is no way to distinguish between the photons arriving at D0 which interference pattern each photon belongs to. The same for photons reflected by BSb and arrive at D4. Photons which pass through BSa and are reflected by BSc and arrive at D1 are either 'up' or 'down' photons but not both. If 'up' photons arrive at D1 then 'down' photons arrive at D2. The opposite occurs for photons which pass through BSb. Photons which pass through BSa and pass through BSb and arrive at D1 are all either 'up' or 'down' photons. If all 'up' photons arrive at D1 then all 'down' photons arrive at D2. Since the physical waves in the aether traveling both the red and blue paths are combined prior to D1 and D2 the aether waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels. Since all 'up' photons arrive at one of the detectors and all 'down' photons arrive at the other an interference pattern is created which reflects back to the interference both sets of photons are creating at D0. Figures 3 and 4 here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/9903/9903047v1.pdf Show the interference pattern of the 'up' and 'down' photons. If you were to combine the two images and add the peaks together and add the valleys together you would have the interference pattern of the original photon. This is evidence the downgraded photon pair maintain the original photons momentum and have opposite angular momentums. Nothing is erased. There is no delayed choice. Physical waves in the aether are traveling both the red and blue paths and when the paths are combined the waves create interference which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Experiments which are evidence of Aether Displacement: Experiment #1: Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the interference patterns created at D0. Experiment #2: Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Your inability to physically explain the following is evidence you feign hypothesis: - The future determining the past - Virtual particles which exist out of nothing - Conservation of momentum does not apply to a downgraded photon pair - A C-60 molecule can enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits simultaneously without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having a change in momentum. - Matter causes physical space to be 'unflat' but not move The following are the most correct physical explanations to date: - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - The aether displaced by the matter which are the plates extends past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the plates forces the plates together - Conservation of momentum does apply to a downgraded photon pair. When a photon is detected its wave collapses which determines its spin. In order for the original photons momentum to be conserved, the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits - Physical space is displaced by matter. Aether is displaced by matter.
From: Vern on 26 Mar 2010 11:58 On Mar 26, 9:05 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 25, 10:48 pm,PaulStowe<theaether...(a)gmail.com> wrote: <snip> > > > I'd be happy to answer your questions (because I can), but first I > > > want you to answer mine. There are some fundamental elements that you > > > think MUST be present in a physical explanation, and there are apparently > > > some of those fundamental elements that you believe are missing from the > > > explanation I gave. > > > Do you have a problem with your long term memory??? I've snswered > > that question at least four times now! I'm tired of repeating myself > > and things haven't changed...! It is V-E-R-Y well known that GR does > > not, and can not provide an explanation for the mechanism the actually > > causes gravity. Examples, > > >http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/070810_gm_gravity.htmlhttp://w... <snip> > > > And what are the indispensable elements of a PHYSICAL theory that this > > > lacks? You STILL haven't found a way to answer this question. > > > Something I think you'll never understand, true understanding, Pun > > intended, sadly... > > Since you cannot answer the question,Paul, it would be reasonable for > any reader to conclude that you don't know the answer to it, either. Paul provided two links which clearly confirm that modern physics does not offer an explanation for what causes gravity. Your beliefs about what are or aren't indispensable elements of a physical theory are immaterial to the issue. When your peers are saying that modern physics does not offer an explanation for what causes gravity, you are disagreeing with modern physcists when you assert otherwise. It's time for you to admit that are wrong. Vern
From: mpc755 on 26 Mar 2010 12:32
On Mar 25, 11:48 pm, Paul Stowe <theaether...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 25, 5:49 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Do you have a problem with your long term memory??? I've snswered > that question at least four times now! I'm tired of repeating myself > and things haven't changed...! It is V-E-R-Y well known that GR does > not, and can not provide an explanation for the mechanism the actually > causes gravity. Examples, > > http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/070810_gm_gravity.html This quote is incorrect: "This weakness also makes it the most mysterious, as scientists can't measure it in the laboratory as easily as they can detect its effects on planets and stars." Gravity is measured in the Casimir Effect. Gravity is the pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. The matter in this case are the plates. |