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From: NoEinstein on 27 Mar 2010 12:56 On Mar 25, 5:47 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear mpc755: Obviously, you've fabricated a broad-sounding explanation(s) of some aspect of science or science observation. But your verbiage is a detraction from the possible viability of anything you say, because I and the readers only have so much time to spend. Those things you keep proposing like: matter "displacing" ether, and matter and ether being a state of your invented "mather", don't hold water. So, it's probably pointless to read anything you say. But I'll give you another chance IF you will stick to discussing the mechanism of gravity, and will do so without repeating what OBSERVATION shows to be wrong. NoEinstein > > On Mar 25, 3:16 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mar 25, 2:04 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 25, 2:54 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 25, 1:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2:25 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 1:16 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Experiment #1 below will provide evidence of Aether Displacement. > > > > > > > > > Then do the experiment. Until then, you've got nothin'. You know the > > > > > > > > steps you have to follow to do that? > > > > > > > > > By the way, scientists don't usually claim to know what results will > > > > > > > > come from an experiment until the experiment is actually done. > > > > > > > > I know what the results will be when the experiments are performed. > > > > > > > Then you, sir, are no scientist, nor will you ever be one. > > > > > > Experiments are performed to consult nature on what the answer is. > > > > > > > Since you claim to be able to read the future, by knowing the outcome > > > > > > of experiments before they are performed, you should be able to > > > > > > provide a compelling physical explanation of how you know the future, > > > > > > without relying on absurd nonsense like the future determining the > > > > > > past. > > > > > > I know what the results will be because I understand the physics of > > > > > nature. > > > > > Nice. So not only can you see the future, but you are omniscient, as > > > > well. > > > > It is simply an understanding of the physics of nature which allows me > > > to know what will occur physically in nature when the experiments are > > > performed. > > > My previous remarks stand, mpc. You have ceased to be amusing and have > > now become both pathetic and contemptible. > > > Good luck to you in your ventures. I'm sure you'll be able to work > > your divine power to acquire the crown you crave. > > If you were able to understand waves propagate available paths and > particles travel a single path then what is occurring would be easily > understood. > > For example, in the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi... > There are waves propagating both the red and blue paths towards D0. > One of the downgraded photon 'particles' is traveling either the red > or blue path towards D0. The lens causes the waves to create > interference which alters the direction the particle travels. One set > of downgraded photons is creating one of the interference patterns at > D0 and the other set of downgraded photons is creating the other. > > It's all very easy to understand once you realize 'delayed-choice', > 'quantum eraser', and the future determining the past is simply > misinterpreting what is occurring in nature. > > In the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi... > When the downgraded photon pair are created, in order for there to be > conservation of momentum, the original photons momentum is maintained. > This means the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. > We will describe one of the photons as being the 'up' photon and the > other photon as being the 'down' photon. One of the downgraded photons > travels either the red or blue path towards D0 and the other photon > travels either the red or blue path towards the prism. > > There are physical waves in the aether propagating both the red and > blue paths. The aether waves propagating towards D0 interact with the > lens and create interference prior to reaching D0. The aether waves > create interference which alters the direction the photon travels > prior to reaching D0. There are actually two interference patterns > being created at D0. One associated with the 'up' photons when they > arrive at D0 and the other interference pattern associated with the > 'down' photons when they arrive at D0. > > Both 'up' and 'down' photons are reflected by BSa and arrive at D3. > Since there is a single path towards D3 there is nothing for the wave > in the aether to interfere with and there is no interference pattern > and since it is not determined if it is an 'up' or 'down' photon being > detected at D3 there is no way to distinguish between the photons > arriving at D0 which interference pattern each photon belongs to. The > same for photons reflected by BSb and arrive at D4. > > Photons which pass through BSa and are reflected by BSc and arrive at > D1 are either 'up' or 'down' photons but not both. If 'up' photons > arrive at D1 then 'down' photons arrive at D2. The opposite occurs for > photons which pass through BSb. Photons which pass through BSa and > pass through BSb and arrive at D1 are all either 'up' or 'down' > photons. If all 'up' photons arrive at D1 then all 'down' photons > arrive at D2. Since the physical waves in the aether traveling both > the red and blue paths are combined prior to D1 and D2 the aether > waves create interference which alters the direction the photon > travels. Since all 'up' photons arrive at one of the detectors and all > 'down' photons arrive at the other an interference pattern is created > which reflects back to the interference both sets of photons are > creating at D0. > > Figures 3 and 4 here:http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/9903/9903047v1.pdf > Show the interference pattern of the 'up' and 'down' photons. If you > were to combine the two images and add the peaks together and add the > valleys together you would have the interference pattern of the > original photon. This is evidence the downgraded photon pair maintain > the original photons momentum and have opposite angular momentums. > > Nothing is erased. There is no delayed choice. Physical waves in the > aether are traveling both the red and blue paths and when the paths > are combined the waves create interference which alters the direction > the photon 'particle' travels. > > Experiments which are evidence of Aether Displacement: > > Experiment #1: > > Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters > BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with > BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. > Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, > D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through > BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and > propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the > photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the > corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference > pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the > photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will > form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons > are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, > and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of > detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even > need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the > interference patterns created at D0. > > Experiment #2: > > Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, > have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have > detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a > photon is detected at one of the exits, in AD, the photon's aether > wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other > slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon > 'particle' along with its associated aether wave exits the other slit. > Combine the path the aether wave the detected photon is propagating > along with the path of the other photon and its associated aether > wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the > aether wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create > interference with the aether wave of another photon, altering the > direction the photon 'particle' travels. > > Your inability to physically explain the following is evidence you > feign hypothesis: > > - The future determining the past > - Virtual particles which exist out of nothing > - Conservation of momentum does not apply to a downgraded photon pair > - A C-60 molecule can enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits > simultaneously without requiring energy, releasing energy, or having > a change in momentum. > - Matter causes physical space to be 'unflat' but not move > > The following are the most correct physical explanations to date: > > - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate > aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits > - The aether displaced by the matter which are the plates extends > past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced > by the plates forces the plates together > - Conservation of momentum does apply to a downgraded photon pair. > When a photon is detected its wave collapses which determines its > spin. In order for the original photons momentum to be conserved, > the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. > - A C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit while the associate > aether displacement wave enters and exits available slits > - Physical space is displaced by matter. Aether is displaced by > matter.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: NoEinstein on 27 Mar 2010 12:56 On Mar 25, 5:49 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 25, 4:47 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 3:16 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 25, 2:04 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 25, 2:54 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 25, 1:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2:25 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 1:16 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 2:08 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Experiment #1 below will provide evidence of Aether Displacement. > > > > > > > > > > Then do the experiment. Until then, you've got nothin'. You know the > > > > > > > > > steps you have to follow to do that? > > > > > > > > > > By the way, scientists don't usually claim to know what results will > > > > > > > > > come from an experiment until the experiment is actually done. > > > > > > > > > I know what the results will be when the experiments are performed. > > > > > > > > Then you, sir, are no scientist, nor will you ever be one. > > > > > > > Experiments are performed to consult nature on what the answer is. > > > > > > > > Since you claim to be able to read the future, by knowing the outcome > > > > > > > of experiments before they are performed, you should be able to > > > > > > > provide a compelling physical explanation of how you know the future, > > > > > > > without relying on absurd nonsense like the future determining the > > > > > > > past. > > > > > > > I know what the results will be because I understand the physics of > > > > > > nature. > > > > > > Nice. So not only can you see the future, but you are omniscient, as > > > > > well. > > > > > It is simply an understanding of the physics of nature which allows me > > > > to know what will occur physically in nature when the experiments are > > > > performed. > > > > My previous remarks stand, mpc. You have ceased to be amusing and have > > > now become both pathetic and contemptible. > > > > Good luck to you in your ventures. I'm sure you'll be able to work > > > your divine power to acquire the crown you crave. > > > If you were able to understand waves propagate available paths and > > particles travel a single path then what is occurring would be easily > > understood. > > Why try to understand absurd nonsense?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Exactly! NoEinstein
From: NoEinstein on 27 Mar 2010 13:05 On Mar 25, 5:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > WRONG, mpc755! The ether inside matter is MASS PROPORTIONAL. There are more electrons around larger nuclei. Since electrons are wave crests on a revolving soup of ether (IOTAs), massive objects have more IOTAs and thus have more ether. Downward flowing ether, which imparts the forces of gravity, measures the mass by impacting the massin the same way that flowing water measures the resistance of a boat trying to go up-stream. NoEinstein > > On Mar 25, 3:29 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 4:44 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 24, 4:40 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by a massive object. > > > > > As far as you know... is a very small distance indeed!!!!! NE > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > The Casimir Effect is caused by gravity. > > > > Each and every nuclei which is the matter which are the plates > > > displace the aether. The displaced aether of each plate encompasses > > > the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the > > > plates forces the plates together. > > > > When you get to something as massive as the Sun, the aether is > > > displaced to the outer reaches of the solar system. > > > GET LOST, mpc755! Gravity (ether) flows THROUGH matter! That's why > > the force of gravity is mass proportional. > > It is mass proportional because aether is displaced based on mass per > volume. The more massive an object is per volume the less aether it > contains, the more aether it displaces. > > > Electrons swim in a soup > > of ether, and are likely just the crest of a revolving wave. If > > matter displaced ether (sic), then ether would be excluded and there > > would be no... "stuff" for matter to be made from. NoEinstein > > Matter and aether are different states of the same material. I have > named this material mather. Matter is compressed mather and aether is > uncompressed mather. Even though both matter and aether are the same > material, matter is compressed mather and exists in and displaces the > aether. There is a connectedness between the matter and aether. The > state of the aether is determined by its connections with the matter. > This is the aether's state of displacement.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: NoEinstein on 27 Mar 2010 13:10 On Mar 25, 5:52 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 25, 3:42 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > Photons don't have... "mass", because they don't give off photons. > > Gamma rays DO give off photons and thus have mass. That is why atomic > > decay LOWERS the atomic number. NoEinstein > > My preferred concept of a photon is as a directed/pointed wave in the > aether which collapses and is detected as a quantum of mather. Ha, mpc755! If that were so, then, light would be unable to cross the Swiss Cheese voids between galaxieswhich are devoid of ether. Ether density across the Universe varies from ZERO to quite high inside of Black Holes, which none-the-less are devoid of gravity. NoEinstein
From: mpc755 on 27 Mar 2010 13:11
On Mar 27, 12:56 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Mar 25, 5:47 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear mpc755: Obviously, you've fabricated a broad-sounding > explanation(s) of some aspect of science or science observation. But > your verbiage is a detraction from the possible viability of anything > you say, because I and the readers only have so much time to spend. > Those things you keep proposing like: matter "displacing" ether, and > matter and ether being a state of your invented "mather", don't hold > water. So, it's probably pointless to read anything you say. But > I'll give you another chance IF you will stick to discussing the > mechanism of gravity, and will do so without repeating what > OBSERVATION shows to be wrong. NoEinstein > Aether is displaced matter. The aether is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. The 'displacing back' is the pressure the aether exerts towards the matter. The pressure associated with the aether displaced by matter is gravity. Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. 'Frictionless supersolid a step closer' http://www.physorg.com/news185201084.html "Superfluidity and superconductivity cause particles to move without friction. Koos Gubbels investigated under what conditions such particles keep moving endlessly without losing energy, like a swimmer who takes one mighty stroke and then keeps gliding forever along the swimming pool." In the analogy the swimmer is any body and the water is the aether. Just as the swimmer displaces the water, whether the swimmer is at rest with respect to the water, or not, a body displaces the aether, whether the body is at rest with respect to the aether, or not. In the analogy the moving swimmer creates a displacement wave in the water. A moving body creates a displacement wave in the aether. 'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum medium and the inertial motion of particles' http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0701/0701155.pdf "Abstract: The similarity between the energy spectra of relativistic particles and that of quasi-particles in super-conductivity BCS theory makes us conjecture that the relativistic physical vacuum medium as the ground state of the background field is a super fluid medium, and the rest mass of a relativistic particle is like the energy gap of a quasi-particle. This conjecture is strongly supported by the results of our following investigation: a particle moving through the vacuum medium at a speed less than the speed of light in vacuum, though interacting with the vacuum medium, never feels friction force and thus undergoes a frictionless and inertial motion." A particle in the super fluid medium displaces the super fluid medium, whether the particle is at rest with respect to the super fluid medium, or not. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the super fluid medium. A particle in the aether displaces the aether, whether the particle is at rest with respect to the aether, or not. The particle could be an individual nucleus. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the aether. Aether is displaced by an individual nucleus. When discussing gravity as the pressure associated with the aether displaced by matter, what is being discussed is the aether being displaced by each and every nucleus which is the matter which is the object. A C-60 molecule displaces the aether. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. The C-60 molecule itself occupies a very small region of the wave. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit in a double slit experiment. The associated aether displacement wave enters and exits the available slits. When the aether displacement wave exits the slits it creates interference which alters the direction the C-60 molecule travels. Detecting the C-60 molecule causes decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (i.e. turns it into chop) and there is no interference. The Casimir Effect is caused by gravity. Each and every nucleus which is the matter which is the plate displaces the aether. The aether displaced by one plate extends past the other plate. The pressure exerted by the aether displaced by the plates forces the plates together. 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "These are essentially based on the way in which quantities respectively characterizing the regular v wave and the internal u0 wave of the particle connect with the neighbourhood of the singular region. u0 would have to increase very sharply as one penetrates the singular region." This is similar to Einstein's concept of: 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein' http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places". There is a connectedness between the particle and the neighborhood. There is a connectedness between the matter and the aether. The state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the aether's state of displacement. 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. EINSTEIN' http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2." The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether and matter is energy. Aether Displacement is a unified theory. |